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Friday, August 31, 2012

Puncturing Obama's grandiosity

Steven Hayward picks the line from Romney's speech last night that may serve to cut Obama down to size.
President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet. MY promise . . . is to help you and your family.
A lot of the convention speeches were geared toward puncturing the grandiosity of Barack Obama. It reminds me of the celebrity ad that John McCain ran in 2008 calling Obama "the biggest celebrity in the world," yet wondering if he was ready to lead. Well, we've seen the result of electing the celebrity candidate who thinks he can promise to keep a plant open for 100 years and roll back the oceans. And now it's time to forget about electing a celebrity who promises the impossible and sends thrills up our legs.


stan said...

"I think I'm a better speech writer than my speech writers. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I'll tell you right now that I'm . . . a better political director than my political director."

Knows more about Judaism than any other president in American history.

Ranks his presidential achievemnts as the best in history with possible exception of LBJ, FDR and Lincoln.

Says he knew about Jeremy Lin before anyone else.

mark said...
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mark said...

Yes, it was a great line by Romney's writers. But of course, pure hyperbole. Romney also believes in global warming (based on previous statements), but is pretending not to in order to play to his ignorant base. Future generations will one day wonder how we could have been so short-sighted and selfish to do nothing while we had the chance

Gahrie said...

mark -

1) When those who believe in global warming significantly change their lifestyle to reduce the amount of energy they consume (including the high priest Gore) maybe I'll start to listen.

2) If we seriously want to curtail global warming, we'd attack a gas that has an exponentally larger greenhouse effect than carbon dioxide, namely dihydrogen monoxide.

3) The earth is actually in the middle of an ice age, we are just in a warming interval.

4) Pray tell, what is the "correct" tempature of the Earth?

mark said...


It is certainly legitimate to debate what can/should be done about climate change.

But if you deny that climate change exists, you are a:
a. liar
b. idiot
c. both

Your choice.

Dr Weevil said...

And if you doubt that significant, anthropogenic climate change exists, you are being quite sensible. Of course no one can deny that climate changes: it does so quite freuently. We've all heard of the Ice Ages and the Mediaeval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. And it's obvious that building a bonfire warms the air by some incredibly infitesimal amount, so humans can affect the climate, just as butterflies can theoretically cause hurricanes.

Whether humans are actually affecting the overall climate at all is the big question. Whether that would be a bad thing is another big question: if we're on the edge of another Ice Age, 'Little' or otherwise, we're going to need all the belching factories and gas-guzzling cars we can build to counteract its effects. There are some signs that we are heading for colder climate, and sunspots seem to have more control over the climate than everything puny humans do.

equitus said...

"Climate Change Denier" is a class straw man (typical for mark). Thank you, Doctor, for burning that one down.

mark said...

Whether humans are actually affecting the overall climate at all is only a big question for people with small brains.

Suggesting that more belching factories and gas-guzzling cars might be a good idea is a big question only for people without a brain.

The "big question" is what practical things can and should be done about climate change.

Dr Weevil said...

More misleading words from mark. The question is not whether humans are "affecting the overall climate at all", but (as I specifically said) whether we are affecting it significantly. Do our actions actually make a difference?

Here's an analogy. If you're worried about rising sea levels, should you avoid spitting in the ocean? It is undeniable that one teaspoon of spit will in fact raise the average sea level by some incredibly tiny amount. Does that mean that humans spitting could possibly cause the sea level to rise? There's a simple answer: no. I once calculated that in order to raise the sea levels by one inch, every human being would have to spit in the ocean ten times a day for 40,000 years. Conclusion: all the spitting in the ocean humans are capable of would not significantly affect sea levels.

Are human activities raising (or lowering) global temperatures? Not by much, and far less than natural cycles do without any help from humans. The fact is that we are overdue for an Ice Age, and any warming we may be causing is far more likely to be good than bad if one is imminent. That's a fact, and it takes a brain to realize that. mark's assertions in his second paragraph is ignorant and false. If an Ice Age is imminent, those would obviously be good ideas, though I doubt that human activity could prevent one.

mark said...

Actually, there are many conservatives who say that climate change is a hoax, period. Glad you acknowledge that they are wrong.

There are lots of studies, models etc. by actual scientists addressing the rising sea levels. Good of you to add to the mix with your fascinating "analogy" of human spit. Have you thought about sending that to a scientific journal? Why limit your genius to Betsy's readers? Share yourself with the expectorating masses.

Dr Weevil said...

It would be nice if 'mark' would argue honestly for a change. No one denies that the climate changes: some of us doubt that puny humans can have any significant effect compared to whatever natural processes caused the Ice Ages (large and small) and the Mediaeval Warm Period. And anyone who has looked at the evidence knows that some of the evidence purporting to prove that humans are responsible for climate change is in fact a hoax, most notably the famous 'hockey stick' and the pretense among global warming 'scientists' that the Mediaeval Warm Period never happened.

And what can one say about someone who pretends that an analogy designed to illustrated the difference between trivial and significant effects is a scientific statement? That he can't possibly be stupid enough (can he?) to believe what he wrote, and therefore he is merely disgustingly dishonest.

mark said...

I'm not sure what is more pathetic:
That you are lying about calculating how much spit it would take for 6b. people to raise sea levels by an inch; or that you actually did undertake such research. Either way........

Here are a few links for you to check out, including one funded by a Koch brother;

BTW: You might stop digging yourself into a hole. The bigger it is, the more spit you'll need to fill it.

Dr Weevil said...
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Dr Weevil said...

Poor 'mark' is apparently unaware that the calculation I mentioned takes all of five minutes, since the total surface area of the world's oceans is easily found via Google, as are websites that will do the most complex arithmetic transformations for you, turning square meters into square inches, and so on, in a fraction of a second.

Should we listen to someone as multifariously ignorant as 'mark'? He doesn't even seem to be able to handle the difference between "a few" and one, much less the difference between significant and insignificant effects, the importance of the Mediaeval Warm Period, or the significance of sunspots in global temperature change.

mark said...

I've undertaken some calculations and come to the conclusion that your opinions, like your studies, are worth slightly less than a bucket of warm spit.

Being the expert on saliva, perhaps you can calculate how long it will take for 6b to fill it up. For your calculations, let's say it is a one-gallon bucket filled to the rim.

You may begin.

Dr Weevil said...

In other words, 'mark' can't reply to my arguments with anything except stupid insults and irrelevancies. I want to thank him for admitting (however inadvertently) that he has nothing else to offer.

Bizarrely, even the most innocent and pertinent mention of any bodily fluid seems to affect him like a sheltered Victorian maiden. He can't handle the fact that some people spit now and then. I suppose we'd better avoid telling him about some of the other things grownups do. He might have a nervous breakdown.