Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Worse than Perry's brain freeze

Allahpundit is absolutely right that this interview that Herman Cain was giving with the Milwaukee Journal is just brutal and worse than Perry's brain freeze. We can all relate to not remembering something that Perry clearly knew and actually remembered later. Cain here seems to be totally blank when asked a question about Obama's Libya policy. He says that he would have assessed the situation differently. What does that mean? What specifically is he criticizing? He says that he would have wanted to hear all the views before he made a decision on Libya. Is there any indication that Obama didn't listen to all the views?

And he also seems incoherent when asked about collective bargaining rights for public employees.
Cain also appeared to be unclear on the issue of collective bargaining as it involves federal employees.

Asked if he thought federal employees should have the ability to bargain collectively, Cain said: "They already have it, don't they?"

Told they didn't, he said, "They have unions."

The American Federation of Government Employees, which represents 600,000 federal government workers in 65 agencies, says that most federal employees don't have collective bargaining over pay and benefits. They do have collective bargaining rights over working conditions.

There are some exemptions to unions in federal government. Air traffic controllers can bargain over wages under a 1996 law that granted full bargaining rights to a number of federal workers covered under the Federal Aviation Administration. The U.S. Postal Service, which has hundreds of thousands of employees, has collective bargaining for pay and benefits. But the Postal Service is technically an independent agency of the U.S. government.

Cain's comments came after he was asked his reaction to Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker stripping most collective bargaining rights from public unions. Cain said he believes public employees should be allowed to bargain collectively on wages and benefits.

"But not collective hijacking," he said. "What I mean by that, if they have gotten so much for so many years and it's going to bankrupt the state, I don't think that's good. It appears that in some instances, they really don't care."
This has been such an important issue among conservatives, it's hard to believe that that Cain is still confused. And he's flip-flopping around on this since last month he had a different position.
In an interview with the Journal Sentinel last month, Cain said that he was "right in the corner of Gov. Scott Walker 100%" in Walker's battle with public employee unions.
He sounds like some of my students when I call on them and they haven't done the reading and they just try to snow me. That's expected with high school students. But I would hope that a man who was asking for votes for the most powerful job in the country would have prepared more for his job interview with the American people.


Minstrelofmytime said...

Is it possible that age may be a concern in Cain's case? I actually never knew how old he was until today when that idea struck me, so I looked it up and discovered that, if elected, he will have turned 67 before he takes the oath of office. That is not horribly old, but you know, I'm only 53 and have kept myself in good shape and hell, I'm starting to feel my stamina and mental sharpness declining. Campaigns are messy but they do serve to highlight candidates' weaknesses, and I do wonder if Cain's age is starting to show as such a weakness. Sad to say, IMHO it is definitely showing for Ron Paul this time around. Maybe for Herman too.

mark said...

Again, just more indication that Cain was never serious about running for president. He saw an opportunity to sell himself and make a few more bucks from a gullible public. He never thought he'd be at the top. No doubt he'll bring in bigger bucks on the lecture circuit. That's all it ever was. Shame on the fools who insisted he was a legit contender.

tfhr said...


"He never thought he'd be at the top."

Now you're a mind reader. I know Progressives arrogantly believe that they are more intelligent than anyone else but who knew they were omniscient?

As for gullible, you voted for an empty suit and a teleprompter that in four years has yet to come up with a coherent foreign policy and though he has presided over a dramatic increase in exports - of weapons to Mexican drug cartels by a corrupt Justice Department - he has done little to help this country to compete abroad economically while he rides it down as being "lazy".

The only apparent jobs this government "creates" are based on cronyism ala Solyndra. We could be cutting back on America's dependence on Middle East and Venezuelan oil while setting the stage to create hundreds of thousands of jobs but Obama has decided to run away from making a decision to approve the pipeline from Canada while he runs for the approval of his environmentalist wingnut base for 2012. Couple that with killing oil production in the Gulf while sending money to Brazil to help his buddy George Soros further his personal pursuit of oil riches there and you can at least see a level of consistency in the Obama domestic energy policy, disturbing as it has become.

Gullible? That would be you and omniscient you are not or you would have seen the red flags in 2008. Obama voted "present" whenever he was confronted with a contentious issue in Illinois and he's doing it now with jobs and energy on the line. What an opportunistic coward! And he had zero foreign policy experience and no executive leadership credentials but you missed that? Wow! Shame on you, mark, for being among the fools that voted for a fool.

foxmarks said...

The question posed was, “So you agreed with President Obama on Libya, or not?”

Is that the kind of question you ask your students? Doesn’t that seem a vague and incoherent thing to ask?

So Cain tries to figure out what the question is. What does the questioner see as Obama’s position on Libya? On which aspect of Libya?

Once Cain presses the questioner to clarify the crappy question, Cain makes a sound answer.

The point on collective bargaining is contradictory, right from the article:

They do have collective bargaining power over working conditions.

There are some exemptions to unions in federal government. Air traffic controllers can bargain over wages under a 1996 law that granted full bargaining power to a number of federal workers covered under the Federal Aviation Administration. The U.S. Postal Service, which has hundreds of thousands of employees, has collective bargaining for pay and benefits.

So do you agree with Cain, or not?

mark said...

While you think Obama is a failure in over his head (and I think likewise of Bush, and maybe Obama), they both studied, learned and presented themselves as viable candidates.
Cain has not. He is just another in a line of candidates who have made fools of repubs in pursuit of higher ratings for reality shows and book sales.

tfhr said...


Book sales...you mean like the those two volumes of self-aggrandizing pablum Obama (or his ghost writers)churned out?

Herman Cain, whether or not he is Presidential material, didn't need to pimp a book to make money. He's been making money for years on his own and creating thousands of jobs along the way, so your theory is crap, as is most of the trash you put out here.

You claimed that you knew what Cain was thinking and I just find that sort of notion to be very revealing about you in that you draw conclusions through some sort of special super power you believe you've been granted. Wow.

As for your "long line" dismissal of the rest of the field, I would just remind you that the losers, and I do mean losers, in the Dem 2008 run must've been doing the same to their constituents, right? If not, what would the difference be? After all, how many of those Obama books would've sold if he had lost? And would Joe Biden's coloring book, Promises to Keep, be on the Secret Service reading list for rental property protective details any other way?!

Of course we're still waiting for the release of John Edwards' Parenting on the Campaign Trail and Dodd's I Have a Friend in the Mortgage Biz, which takes his family tradition of campaign corruption beyond the last book where he attempted to rehabilitate his father's name after pop's unfortunate censure in the US Senate back in 1967.

You could write a book about those 2008 Dems, mark, but you should read one and find out what a bunch of scumbags they are.

mark said...

You're sounding a little bitter today, thfr. Everything okay?

tfhr said...


I hope you're not rubbing off on me, mark, but otherwise things are dandy.

It's sad that your world view is so tightly controlled by party politics. It must be awful to be around you.