Wednesday, July 20, 2011

Obama considers calling his own bluff

The news out of the debt-ceiling discussions today is that President Obama and the House GOP are discussing passing a short-term debt-ceiling increase while they work on a bigger deal for later.
Obama and congressional leaders continued scrambling on Wednesday for an endgame to resolve the country’s impending debt crisis. And as they did, the White House floated for the first time that Obama might be willing to go along with a short-term compromise and a House Republican leadership aide said the idea is emerging as a real possibility.
Less than a week ago, Obama was storming out of discussions with the House leaders going into his tough-man routine at the suggestion that they pass a short-term increase while working on a bigger deal for later.
Obama said he wanted congressional leaders to decide by Friday what approach to take on the debt limit. The Treasury Department has set an Aug. 2 deadline for lifting the ceiling, and ratings agencies are warning that they will downgrade U.S. credit if Congress doesn’t act — an action that could send markets tumbling.

“We are very far apart right now,” Cantor said he told the president. “I don’t know if we can get there.”

Cantor said he asked Obama if he would consider allowing two votes on the debt ceiling to give leaders more time to negotiate additional budget savings while avoiding a calamitous default.

“That’s when he got very agitated, seemingly, and said that he had sat there long enough, and that no other president — Ronald Reagan wouldn’t sit here like this — and that he’s reached the point where something’s got to give,” Cantor said, describing the president’s reaction.

“He said to me, ‘Eric, don’t call my bluff. I’m going to the American people with this,’” Cantor said.
And now that is exactly what they're discussing doing.

And it makes sense. The worst thing would be to cobble together some last-minute deal then force people to vote on it with deadlines of doom hanging over their heads. Get past the deadline and then buckle down and see if they can put together some real reforms and spending cuts.

If this is what ends up happening, look to see Obama's bluffs to be called as often as Bingo at a senior center.

25 comments:

Kurt said...

One has to wonder, though, just how the lamestream media will twist, turn, and massage this story to cover up for the fact that BO may be prepared to "call [his own] bluff."

mark said...

God, you folks are foolish. Obama is playing repubs about as well as Clinton manipulated repubs in the '80s. I'm not sure Obama deserves a second term, but repubs are working hard to make it happen.

Pat Patterson said...

About the only thing Clinton accomplished was getting a second term. He signed off on a line item veto, a paper balanced budget was enacted and the debt was actually shrinking. And the Republicans maintained and actually expanded their hold on the Senate and the House. Maybe Obama's birth certificate says his middle name is Pyyrhus.

tfhr said...

mark,

As usual, once you finish with your opening insult, you proceed to present errant "facts". Check and get back to us just how "Clinton manipulated repubs in the '80s."

Last time I checked Clinton stole his way into the White House in 1992 with the help of a pliant media to carry his banner and Ross Perot. Explain "'80s" in the context of "God, you folks are foolish."

mark said...

Correction: Clinton in the '90s.

It was the 80's in which Reagan raised the debt limit and said he would raise taxes "over my dead body" before raising taxes.

mark said...

You're now offended by "foolish", tfhr? How sensitive you are! It's always amusing to be scolded by the guy who called Rose Kennedy a "bitch" the day her son died, but okay.

Pat Patterson said...

Now you're really floundering as what then Governor Reagan said was that his feet were set in concrete on the issue of new taxes.
“The sound you hear,” Reagan announced, “is the concrete cracking," after he became governor and the balanced budget that Pat Brown had promised turned out to be a deficit. That was in 1966 not during the 80's.

tfhr said...

mark,

Proof - provide it. I was more than happy to see the book closed on drunken murderer and coward Ted Kennedy. I did not call his mother anything.

You are a liar.

mark said...

tfhr,
You called Ted Kennedy a son-of-a-bitch on the day that he died. In fact, I once mistakenly said you called him a "bastard" and you corrected me (big distinction, I guess). Are you really going to deny it?
You disgraced yourself and now you're lying about it. Typical.

Pat,
Reagan in 1987:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6nNJiJsm70

You can spin and justify all you want, but those are his words.
You folks just can't deal with facts, can you?

Pat Patterson said...

that radio address said nothing about raising taxes but what Reagan argued during the entire address was that Congress always spent too much and then had to raise the debt limit. His argument was to keep spending within the budget that Congress had voted on instead of constant brinksmanship. Do a little more homework next time and try to refer to a point that is responsive to your original claim and also not simply a sound bite taken from a longer address.

There were three opportunities for the then junior Senator to vote to increase the debt ceiling in the brief time he was in the Senate. He voted no once and punted twice. Yep, some profile in courage.

tfhr said...

mark,

Is it a requirement to repeat your mistakes incessantly to be a true "progressive"? It must be because it is one of those things I know I can count on you to do.

Here you are on Thursday, March 18, 2010:

mark said...

tfhr,
Thanks for correcting me.
You called him a bastard. Not a son of a bitch. A bastard. The day that even Rushbo and Beck had the decency to hold fire, you called him a bastard.

Thanks again. I'm always trying to improve myself, so this really helps.

Have a swell day.
3:25 PM


Your plaintive snivel was issued after I corrected you once again about your badly distorted and faulty memory.

Because you are lazy, have trouble with dates and have proven yourself to be completely inept at even the most basic research skills, I will provide you with a link to your moronic comments and subsequent apology. Click on this:
http://betsyspage.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-are-democrats-having-such.html

What cracks me up is that you call me a "liar" when it is your own poor memory and an apparent inability or unwillingness to confirm anything that you claim, that leads to your own repeated embarrassment here day after day.

You're gaff a minute, mark, and for that reason I think I'm finally beginning to understand your preference for things "progressive" and Joe Biden. I think I finally understand you, mark.

tfhr said...

mark,

One other point - the topic of this thread was about the moronic nature of Obama telling Cantor not to "call his bluff".

You seemed to have launched on a strategy to deflect from that idiocy by offering up some prime examples of your own. Is that a good idea? Is that the best you can do? Really?

Try to stay on topic but consider saying as little as possible because you're gaffing us to death here, mark.

mark said...

Once again, I am chagrined. You called Rose Kennedy a whore, not a bitch. A whore. This time I'm gonna write it on my forehead so I won't forget.

I'm flattered that you take time to research and archive my comments, especially given your work with the CIA.

By the way, you made a gaffe with your spelling of gaffe. It's gaffe, not gaff. A gaff is a large hook. An easy mistake, because the "e" is silent. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you. We all make gaffs. I mean, gaffes.

mark said...

You've become quite the scold, tfhr. Maybe you should start your own blog so you can decide who can post and what they can say.

tfhr said...

mark,

Now you've claimed, again without any evidence, that I called Rose Kennedy something really awful. I'm not surprised. I'm also not surprised that you can't back that up either.

You can write whatever you want on your forehead but if you want it to be a huge insult, try spelling out "I ♥ Ted Kennedy".

Oh, by the way, I've never said I worked for the CIA. That's all you again. You make wild assumptions often and while I do work for an intelligence agency, you've picked the wrong one. Remember, I worked for more than twenty years in Army Military Intelligence and we do work with just about everyone in the Intelligence Community from time to time but I've never made any claim to have ever been employed by CIA.

However, I defer to you as the master of gaffes.

mark said...

tfhr,
Evidence?
A "bastard" is a child born out of wedlock. You had a wide array of insults to use on Ted Kennedy the day he died. You chose one that is directed at his mother.

Now, I don't have hard evidence that your are lying about working with military intelligence. However, your insistence that OBL was dead and defense of Rumsfeld as Sec. of Defense is circumstantial evidence that you are not equipped with the necessary qualifications. That's not a slam on you (I'm not qualified either). I just have too much respect for the agencies working to keep us safe to think that you are part of the intelligence community.

Dr Weevil said...

No, mark, "bastard" used to mean "a child born out of wedlock". It now means a contemptible human being: it's a politer way of comparing someone to a particular body part. In everyday usage, outside of (e.g.) Shakespeare class or a Shakespeare theater, it has no reference to the person's mother. (Nor does 's.o.b.', by the way.)

I believe linguists call this the 'etymological fallacy': the idea that words must mean what their etymologies mean. They often don't.

For example, "goodbye" is a shortened form of "God be with you", but atheists say "goodbye" all the time, and only an idiot would criticize them for doing so, since the word has long since lost its religious meaning.

Similarly, "bastard" has long since lost any reference to a person's mother, and it takes a considerable degree of ignorance or dishonesty to pretend otherwise. I'm tempted to say that only a total bastard would suggest such a thing, but I wouldn't want you to think I was criticizing your mother, so I'll let you supply your own epithet.

tfhr said...

mark,

Your political kinship and emotional identification with the worst of our nation's politicians seems to have made you lose sight of the business transaction needed to be a "whore". I don't understand how your mind equates illegitimacy with another word for prostitution, but whatever attracts you to the Kennedy clan is your business, just get yourself a dictionary. (Look up "gaffe" and see if your picture is there, mark)

I guess you think your politicians do that sort of stuff for free but I've got news for you we all pay for them. I never said Rose Kennedy took a dime for her years of service beneath Joseph Kennedy. Maybe you know their relationship better. Calling her failed son a nasty name only extends to her when you, mark, make the effort. Stop trying to hide behind a dead woman and recognize that her progeny killed an innocent girl and never faced up to his responsibility because of his wealth and political connections. If Mary Jo Kopechne were someone known to you rather than an unfortunate speed bump on the political career path of a well-to-do son of a political kingmaker, you might think otherwise. I guess what puzzles me is how you bleed tears when you hear that someone contracted food poisoning somewhere or that the laundry didn't get as clean as it should. You want heads on pikes for that but when a Kennedy kills a girl, who even needs a trial? Your anger for one is as stilted as your willingness to forgive and forget the actions of the other and ultimately comes down to one thing: Politics. In our world politics is an unkind word most, if not all of the time, but you make it obscene.

mark said...

tfhr,

Primary definition of bastard:

–noun
1.
a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.

Primary definition of tea bag

— n
a small bag of paper or cloth containing tea leaves, infused in boiling water to make tea

So much for the histrionics.

Although I will say, I'm a bit embarrassed about my part in what an idiotic thread this has devolved into. My main intention was to emphasize that both sides have been irresponsible, and the only way to arrive at a meaningful agreement is for both sides to give-in a bit. Even by my low standards, this tit-for-tat about the meaning of words is silly (and I use that expression in the most innocuous way possible).

tfhr said...

mark,

There you go, you actually constructed a paragraph free of insults. I knew you could do it.

Now lets chat!

I think too much taxation is a bad idea, especially during a really bad recession. I trust people to use their own money to better ends than a wasteful government. I think spending more money than you have...well there's never a good time to do that.

What say you?

(PS - I'm glad you're done kicking Rose Kennedy around)

Dr Weevil said...

Of course, anyone who read tfhr's original comment knew that he was using the word "bastard" in dictionary.com's sense 2.a: "a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person". It would have been silly to use meaning 1: no one doubts that Ted Kennedy was the legitimate son of Joe Kennedy. (He would very likely have been a better person if he had been almost anyone else's son, legitimate or otherwise.)

Of course, "bastard" in none of its senses implies "son of a whore", so it's mark, not tfhr, who drags Rose Kennedy's name in the mud by applying the word "whore" to her, while dishonestly pretending that someone else had done so. "You called Rose Kennedy a whore" (5:11pm) is simply a lie. What a disgusting little man mark is.

tfhr said...

Dr. Weevil,

Game, set and match.

Please go help mark with the terms libel and slander. He's good at both but can't seem to differentiate. Maybe you can help.

tfhr said...

Dr. Weevil,

Then again, maybe mark is trying to up his game. It is the hallmark of sleazy lawyers and Dem politicos, such as Bill Clinton, to "redefine" words to suit their needs.

Slick Willie tried to redefine the word "is" and the Second Coming or at least the guy serving Jimmy Carter's second term, is busily trying to redefine "revenue" as the verb form of "tax".

As far as I know "dishonest" and "liar" are still held to their original definitions but give these clowns a little time and they will become badges of honor.

mark said...

tfhr,
I expressed embarrassment for my role as well as yours at how this thread devolved. Whether or not you were insulting Ted Kennedy or his mother, any decent person would consider calling a person a "bastard" on the day he dies to be a disgrace. You must have be living a squalid, empty failed life to consider that a victory.

tfhr said...

mark,

Whatever.