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Thursday, December 31, 2009

Now we know what the Obama administration will do with a ticking time bomb

Whenever people start debating how to treat captured terrorists the show-stopper question: what would you do with a prisoner who knows information about an imminent attack? This is the almost proverbial debate over the ticking time bomb. Well, now we have such a prisoner. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the undie bomber, is such a person. And, as Victoria Toensing points out, he could be a fount of important information.
Where was Abdulmutallab trained? Who trained him? Where is the training facility located? Where is the stash of PETN, the explosive used in the bomb? What are the techniques he was told to use for getting through airport security? Was there a well-dressed man who helped him board the plane without a passport as claimed by another passenger? And, most important, are future attacks planned?
Stories came out this week that he told the FBI that there are 25 Yemeni-trained terrorists just waiting to finish their training and then go ahead to kill as many Westerners as possible.
The reports come after The Sun revealed that cops fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners.

The fanatics, in five groups, are now training at secret terror camps in Yemen.

It was there London-educated Abdulmutallab prepared for his Christmas Day bid to blow up a US jet.

The British extremists in Yemen are in their early 20s and from Bradford, Luton and Leytonstone, East London.

They are due to return to the UK early in 2010 and will then await internet instructions from al-Qaeda on when to strike.

A Scotland Yard source said: "The great fear is Abdulmutallab is the first of many ready to attack planes and kill tens of thousands.

"We know there are four or five radicalised British Muslim cells in the Yemen.

Armed officers were also spotted around the airport site and all the luggage was laid out in a long line on the tarmac to be thoroughly searched.

"They are due back within months when they will be under constant surveillance."

The 25 suspects, of Pakistani and Somali descent, were radicalised in UK mosques.

Some had been to university and studied engineering or computer sciences.

Others were former street gang members.

Special Branch monitored them as they flew to Yemen, in the Middle East, from British airports in the spring and summer.

In almost every case, their tickets were paid for in cash and bought less than a week before travel.

The source added: "Imams would have promised them rewards in heaven for becoming suicide bombers prepared to kill Westerners."
And now we have in our possession someone who trained alongside these guys. Wouldn't you like for us to know what he knows? I'm not saying that he has to be tortured; but I would like him to get some intensive questioning in an undisclosed location. And if he has to be deprived of sleep or humiliated or sit in the cold that's fine with me.

But that isn't what is going to happen with this guy. Now we know what will happen with the ticking time bomb in Obama's administration. He'll get a lawyer and clam up.
Abdulmutallab remains in a Detroit area prison and, after initial debriefings by the FBI, has restricted his cooperation since securing a defense attorney, according to federal officials.
The Obama administration has determined that any terrorist captured will get all the civil protections of the American Constitution in our criminal courts. We have tried enemy combatants in military commissions since the Revolutionary War. Under Barack Obama and Eric Holder we won't use a military commission even for the guy who planned 9/11, so now we know what will happen with Abdulmutallab. As Toensing writes,
Abdulmutallab is not a United States citizen. By detonating a bomb on an airplane filled with 269 civilians, he committed an illegal act of war. A military commission, which has been used for such conduct since Gen. George Washington, will give him due process. But first, he must be interrogated.
Alas, that won't happen under the Obama-approved procedures for fighting the war on terror.


Vigilante said...

I can't believe all of this hysteria over this Richard Reid (2001) "shoe bomber" II copycat episode. He's arrested. Try him. Convict him. Put 'im in prison to rot away for the rest of his miserable life.

In the meantime, let's just get with the terms of coping with, and living in, the 21st Century. Republicans, and maybe the ACLU, are against full-body scanners at airports. But I'm not.

smrstrauss said...

Well said. These guys are criminals, let's treat them like the criminal scum that they are, with ordinary criminal trials. Let's not give the impression that they are members of a military force by giving them military commission trials. Ordinary criminal trials for criminal scum.

Pat Patterson said...

Yep, just like all those "criminal" pilots of the IJN who bombed Pearl Harbor and Oahu. I mean since the killed servicemen and civilians alike and then declared war we should treat them like criminals. And good luck serving the arrest or search warrant in Yemen.

Plus it is interesting that all of a sudden the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to captured combatants.

Skay said...

They are at war with us--so let's go back to pre 9/11 thinking and pretend that they are just common criminals. That worked well before didn't it? I wonder if anyone in Holder's law firm will be representing the underware bomber also.

Pat Patterson said...

Just in case no one noticed Vigilante linked to The Huffington Post which does mention that only eight Republicans voted against the bill and they did so because most of the money was going to favored political constituencies and then he sort of quotes himself. Without quotation marks!

equitus said...

If the objection to enhanced interrogation is based on the inadmissabilty of the evidence gained in this way for conviction, I say so what? There is already more than enough evidence for conviction.

Why not interrogate him now? What ARE your objections, Vigilante/smrstrauss? The benefits could be huge in terms of lives saved. I don't understand your thinking.

Also, nice "tough on crime" touch. Good for a laugh.

CW said...

So, the Obama administration's approach to terrorism is a return to the Gorelick Wall and other policies that served the USA so well. How refreshing!


Ben said...

This is serious. A terrorist is a terrorist and should be treated like one. Period. Its also important to get all the information we want to get out of him, howsoever it may be done.Home land security is more important. This is Ben from Israeli Uncensored News

Pat Patterson said...

As to the question I believe that Pres Obama will simply appoint a Ticking Bomb Czar.

tfhr said...

No doubt there is some consternation over how to assess the carbon credits that must be paid to cover the green cost of exploding panties, but other than that, it seems like business as usual for the 10 September left. I guess I just don't understand how or why we are sending terrorists to civilian courts, other than to address the needs of law firms.