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Monday, October 26, 2009

The extreme danger of the "public option"

Now that the buzz in Washington is that the "public option" is back, resusciated from the coffin analysts thought it had been buried in earlier in the debate, it's time to tell the truth about how bogus the claims are about what the public option will and won't do. Fred Hiatt lays out in today's Washington Post how the so-called public option will do nothing to lower health care costs. Instead, all we'd get is a new, hugely expensive entitlement piled on to the Medicare costs that are fated to break the budget in a few years.
The "public option" is dangerous not for what it might do but for what it allows the politicians not to do.

From the start, the Obama administration has said that health-care reform has to make health care both more accessible and less costly . If Congress does the first without the second -- guarantees a new entitlement without controlling costs -- it will bankrupt us, because health-care costs are rising faster than the overall economy is growing.
Hiatt then goes through some of the possible reforms that might work to control costs. One that conservatives support would be removing the tax deduction that employers get for offering health care. We're stuck in a model that was created during World War Two when there were wage controls in place. Employers who were unable to offer wage increases in order to attract workers resorted to offering benefits instead. Thus arose employer-provided health insurance. The government liked the idea and offered tax benefits. However, this drives up the costs of health care because employers can offer so-called Cadillac plans and get the tax write off. The increased third-party payer participation means that people with health insurance have no real interest on being more cost effective in their use of medical care. Removing those tax breaks would be a win-win: the government would get more revenue and patients themselves would have incentives to be their own watchdogs on how much they're spending on health care rather than being indifferent because someone else was paying for it. But it's a political loser so our politicians will never support it.
What are those reforms? The most logical big thing Congress could do would be to tax, as income, the value of the health-care benefits Americans receive from their employers. By not doing so, the government forgoes $250 billion in revenue every year -- effectively, its second-biggest health expense after Medicare. It discriminates against people who have to buy insurance on their own. And it encourages overuse of health care, which drives up costs.

If employees had to pay taxes on their plan, they might opt for one that cost, say, $12,000 per year rather than $16,000, and push to receive the difference in wages. The government could use the revenue to subsidize health insurance for those who need help.

But many unions oppose this change, because they fear it would jeopardize their members' hard-won benefits, and so Democrats won't go for it. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) embraced the idea as presidential nominee and was irresponsibly attacked for it by his opponent. Now Republicans oppose it so that, were President Obama to embrace it even in part, they could beat him up for retreating from his foolish campaign promise to reform health care without raising taxes on anyone but the rich.
Another change that might lower health care costs would be to decrease governmental regulations that drive up the price of insurance plans and health care. But politicians never like to cede power so that's a non-starter. So we're left with the myths of how a public option would lower costs and not alter anyone's existing health care. And that's a myth, a dangerous myth.
The claim merits skepticism. If, as advocates sometimes argue, a public plan operates without favoritism, it will be simply one more entrant in the marketplace. Like other companies, it will have marketing and administrative costs. In some markets served by few private plans, it could offer a useful alternative. But it won't radically reduce costs.

If, as advocates argue at other times, the point is to insure sick people whom private companies, despite all regulatory efforts, find ways to shun, the public plan could offer a valuable safety net. But that wouldn't save money.

And if, as seems likeliest -- and as House legislation mandates -- the plan uses government power to demand lower prices from hospitals and drug companies, those providers may lower quality or seek to make up the difference from private payers. Private companies would have to raise their rates, so more people would choose the public plan, so private rates would rise further -- and we could end up with only the public option and no competition at all.
We won't get lower costs and we will get humongous new public expenditures when we can't afford the entitlements we now have. Don't be fooled by all the gauzy promises of what a public option would and would not do. As Jennifer Rubin writes,
So it is this sort of reform — one that doesn’t do what it claims (control costs) and does do what it claims it doesn’t (create a government-run health-care system) that is supposed to attract a majority of votes in both houses of Congress.
We can hope it is not so, but don't bet on Congress's ability to pass fantasy legislation based on clicking their heels together and whispering "We think we can. We think we can." Unfortunately, we're the ones who will have to live with the real world consequences.

21 comments:

Bill B. said...

"If Congress does the first without the second -- guarantees a new entitlement without controlling costs -- it will bankrupt us..."

No. It won't. That hasn't happened in ANY other western nation. And all of them have national health care. So if you are arguing for bankruptcy, you are arguing that Americans are uniquely bad or stupid.

Let's get health care for all Americans first, then if there is any money left over, see if we can afford to keep occupying Afghanistan and Iraq.

V the K said...

Politicians routinely fail to calculate how much it will change people's behavior when things are being given away for free.

To cite but one example, The availability of inexpensive emergency locator devices for hikers have led inexperienced hikers to take more risks, and for people to use the devices to call for emergency services in non-emergency situations.

Similarly, if people perceive medical care to be free, they'll be going to the doctor with hangnails. This is why costs will spiral out of control under government-run health care.

Bill B. said...

Why hasn't your prediction happened in ANY of the scores of other countries with nationally provided hhealth care, then? Please explain. You won't of course, because you can't.

Facts just don't matter to right wing extremists. Any lie is justified if it carries people along.

equitus said...

BB, which nations have a public option competing with private insurers? Provide links, please.

Old Retired Petty Officer said...

I just want to know how badly Me and The Missus are going to get hosed. We are on Tricare. And by the way it is taking care of the recent adventure with kidney cancer. But with the proposals coming from the maggots, baucus, reid, pelousi and obamarhoid, I would have been left somewhere to die.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

Germany is currently considering a plan to pass greater costs on to the individual.

"Germany's state-backed health insurers warned this week that they face a financial shortfall of €7.45 billion ($10.96 billion) next year as rising unemployment leads to lower health-insurance contributions."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125495456609471843.html

Daniel Bahr, an FDP leader said he hoped Angela Merkel "will make a shift in direction away from state-run medicine." He added that "the current financial figures have showed us that the health-care fund doesn't work."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125495456609471843.html

The same WSJ article also mentions that
"Germany's state-supported health-insurance system covers nine in 10 Germans at an annual cost of around €170 billion. Most others have private insurance."

Adding that "Costs are set to jump in coming years partly because the country's population is aging."

Switzerland seems to have the best of the European systems but you should know that their own aging population, doctor shortages, and budget cuts are putting the Swiss model under great strain.

The Swiss have attempted to hire doctors from outside the country but there are already shortages in Germany, France and the United Kingdom.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/index.html?siteSect=105&sid=4059652

The Swiss were forewarned at least six years ago but have not responded effectively.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/front/Doctors_warn_of_future_shortage.html?siteSect=105&sid=1673228&cKey=1046877360000&ty=st&rs=yes

The same article cites the following comment from Oliver Adam, vice president of Switzerland's Doctors Association:

"European countries are now facing their own shortage of qualified doctors. He says in Germany around 2,000 hospital positions remain unfilled and the official reduction in the length of the working week there will create even more vacancies.

Recruiting European doctors would be a possibility if there were enough doctors in the EU,” he said. “But Germany, France and Britain are all facing their own shortages.

Biddle, socialism is expensive and it is catching up to Europe as their population ages, among other reasons. We don't want socialism here.

Betsy's article offered a range of valid options that could lower costs for health care without handing it over to the one institution that is GUARANTEED to INCREASE COSTS - the GOVERNMENT. The savings that would come from these changes could be used to help the truly needy. But I don't expect a radical like you to embrace any of those suggestions however if Democrats really want to help, they should look at some of these ideas and give up on the government health care power grab.

Bill B. said...

Equitus - I'm not your personal research service. If you want to get more knowledgeable about something, go look it up for yourself.

pedo-fanboy: if you don't want socialism, I assume you will henceforth decline all use of the free health care that taxpayers provide for you. And all police services. And fire fighting. And education in the public schools. We already have socialism in these services, and most people seem pretty happy with it.

Bachbone said...

tfhr earns his health care, "Bill B.", at considerably less pay and at potential risk 24/7 ten thousand times greater than members of Congress who deign to decide, without even reading bills, what we want, then force their will down our throats.

Equitus asks for some links, and instead of simply saying your comment was your opinion, you churlishly say to ...go look it up for yourself." Yet you often challenge others for proof of positions, then refuse to accept provided citations. 3rd grade behaviors, "Bill B." Naughty boy. Naughty, naughty boy.

tfhr even gave the facts you claimed didn't exist. You responded with your usual Alinsky-isms: ad hominem sputterings. You're funnier and funnier when caught out in the open with nothing covering your posterior but snippets from leftist blogs post that never give the whole story. They leave you completely exposed to at least half a story, and when you see that other half here, you think it can't possibly be true, because everyone here just must be stoopid, an extremist, a racist, or hater of the poor. Yup, if the MSM didn't run it, it never did happen, and nobody here could fathom it anyhow. Hee Haw!

If your short-term memory was working and you were at all honest, you wouldn't have needed to comment about other western nations' plans, because Betsy posted several pieces less than three weeks ago about the deficiencies of health care programs in several of our own states, including Maine, Massachusetts and Tennessee, that are already spending much more than they predicted would be spent, charging individuals much more than they predicted would be charged, and causing the very problems those who are against Obamacare are saying it will cause. Remember? Or didn't you read that, either?

equitus said...

BB, I can't find any other nations that have public options as an alternative to private insurers. I guess it's safe to say you pulled that one out of thin air.

So now, you're welcome to shut up when you're trying to compare the Dems' health "reform" with other nations' health care systems - whether costs, performance, etc.

There's no comparison. OK, BB? Thanks.

So Cal Jim said...

Bill B., don't be absurd. Not every government expense is proof of socialism. Taxing for fire, police, and military is not socialism. You're confusing our progressive taxation method of paying for our fire, police and military with the actual services provided. Providing those services is not socialism but paying for them by using a progressive tax system, is.

There may be a legitimate debate as to whether or not tax payer financed schools are necessarily socialist undertakings. But even if - for the sake of argument - it’s conceded that they are, it doesn’t follow that EVERY socialist undertaking will be equally as destructive or momentarily constructive to society. Ultimately, every socialist enterprise is doomed to failure because they all lack incentives to maintain excellence, to innovate and to seek efficiency. We can see this failure looming ahead with our steadily decaying system of public education. We can see it happening right now with socialized medicine.

You say socialized medicine is working well wherever it’s practiced. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Bill B. said...

Equitus says "I can't find any other nations that have public options as an alternative to private insurers."

You can't have looked very hard.

"I guess it's safe to say you pulled that one out of thin air."

I guess it's true to conclude that you're not a very useful or reliable source. Both Switzerland and France have a mixture of public and private health payment.

In Switzerland, the government funds payment, and private insurers sell coverage to individuals.

In France, everyone has basic health from the government. This is 80% of the spending. The remaining 20% goes to extra coverage from private insurers. Britain has some private health insurance companies too, though not in very large numbers (the NHS is good enough for the vast majority).

So Cal Jim: very astute of you. You perceived that I was using a technique of exaggeration to point out that not everything socialist is bad for you.

However, if the government runs it, it is by definition socialist. That is what socialist means. So I really hope that mouthy freeloaders enrolled in socialist health care schemes like Tricare, will refuse their coverage if they object to socialism. Of course, if you are fine with some things being socialist, like the fire service, then carry on using them

tfhr said...

Bachbone,

Well said.


Biddle, don't you get tired of embarrassing yourself or is this the means by which you satisfy your craving for attention?

Bill B. said...

Awesome! The news has just come out that the merged health care bill will include a public option. And it will allow states to opt-out.

This is great. Blue state Americans will get secure and reasonably priced health care. Red state Americans will get it in a few years time, after suffering under the Republican approach. They will become converted from the "Party of No" to the "Party of Know".

This is a great day for all Americans. If you don't like public health care, just vote in large enough numbers to opt out in your state. You'll be throwing the rascals out of office in just a few years, and voting to opt in.

Kind of reminds me of red states like Alaska. Their leaders talk the biggest talk about independence and avoiding government handouts. In reality, they are the biggest recipients of government largess.

Pat Patterson said...

If a state service claims it operates on the cash it collects then it is truly not bankrupt. But in Europe, most notably France and Germany they are bankrupt because they are spending more money then they have in their current revenue and assets. Their respective governments have to make up the difference in a subsidy. So, yes indeed, the European healthcare or health insurance are bankrupts

Bill B. said...

By that measure Pat, the Iraq war drove the United States into bankruptcy.

Which do you think provided better value for its citizens? Health care in France, or the Iraq war for Americans?

Dr Weevil said...

Which provides better value? That's easy: we can do a direct numeric comparison. The number of French who died in a heat wave in the summer of 2003, abandoned by the French medical system, was around 15,000, more than 3 times the number of Americans who have been killed in Iraq in the last 6 1/2 years. And the enemy in Iraq is actively trying to kill Americans, while the climate of France is merely indifferent to human life and death -- rather like the French national health system, as it happens.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

I'm so glad you have provided us with this fine opportunity to compare the value of health care in France with the decision to rid the world of a murderous tyrant.

Not long after the United States toppled Saddam, thousands of French citizens died in their own country in a record heat wave that struck during the summer of 2003. Roughly 15,000 French citizens died.

Lets take a look at some of the reasons cited for such a catastrophic toll. According to USA Today, the French health care system collapsed in the face of the heat wave. "[T]he French Parliament released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm

Biddle, that heat wave hit most of Europe but only France suffered massive casualties. The height of the heat wave was in August when many doctors take leave and hospitals are under staffed. The Health Minister, Jean-François Mattei, stayed on his vacation even though he was warned of the growing death toll and even refused to order a recall of medical personnel to tend to the victims.

At this point, Biddle, do you think the French found that to be a "value"?

There's more. Even when news reports cited the growing death toll but the French government dithered until the crisis had already boiled over. "While news reports gave estimates of a potentially large human death toll, it wasn’t until well after the event that more accurate tallies became available. After facing criticism for its inadequate health facilities and lax government response, France became one of the first countries to release an epidemiological study revealing the true extent of the heat’s damage. At the end of September 2003, the French National Institute of Health reported that in the first 20 days of August, heat had killed more than 14,800 people. During the peak of the heat, fatality rates topped 2,000 in a day."
http://www.earth-policy.org/index.php?/plan_b_updates/2006/update56

Biddle, your decision to link Iraq and French health care isn't your typical effort to deflect by comparing apples and oranges. The comparison reminds us that Jacques Chirac, France's president and Saddam's best friend in western Europe, protected Iraq's dictator as he engaged in multi-billion dollar business arrangements with Baghdad. Chirac's business and personal relationship with Saddam incorrectly convinced the latter that he would be protected from America by friends he had bought in countries such as France.

That was some "value" too.

Locomotive Breath said...

The two big comparable programs, Social Security and Medicare, are both insolvent.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/199167

Perhaps Congress could fix those before forcing the taxpayers to take on yet another entitlement which is also guaranteed to become insolvent?

tfhr said...

Locomotive Breath,

Here, Here!

tfhr said...

Looks like Biddle has run away after failing miserably with his latest attempt to cast France as the health care model for America.

tfhr said...

Biddle, où êtes-vous mon troll smelly ?