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Monday, August 10, 2009

First they came for the Electoral College...

In debates over whether we should be keeping the Electoral College or give up a provision that, at its heart, is an antidemocratic element of our federalist system, those arguing in favor of keeping the Electoral College will point to the fact that the same principles underlying the Electoral College also underlay the U.S. Senate. The Senate gives representation to the states regardless of size so that small, rural states have a disproportionate influence in the Electoral College just as they do in the Senate. And in the amendment process. This is all a vestige of the concerns that the Founders had to maintain the states within our federal system.

It used to be that proponents of abolishing the Electoral College were not really ready to say that they were willing to get rid of the Senate. Perhaps, that is coming to an end and the Senate is now fair game.

Alec MacGillis, a Washington Post reporter, has an essay discussing those powerful senators who represent small states yet hold a disproportionate amount of power in the Senate. And since there is a correlation between rural, small population states and states that vote Republican, those senators tend to be a bit more moderate since they have to pick up the votes of the same sort of voter who voted for both George W. Bush and John McCain. MacGillis thinks this is just darn unfair.
There is much grousing on the left about the filibuster, the threat of which has taken such hold that routine bills now need 60 votes. Getting less attention is the undemocratic character of the Senate itself.

Why, for example, have even Democratic senators been resistant on health-care reform? It might be because so many of the key players represent so few of the voters who carried Obama to victory -- and so few of the nation's uninsured. The Senate Finance Committee's "Gang of Six" that is drafting health-care legislation that may shape the final deal -- without a public insurance option -- represents six states that are among the least populous in the country: Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, Maine, New Mexico and Iowa.

Between them, those six states hold 8.4 million people -- less than New Jersey -- and represent 3 percent of the U.S. population. North Dakota and Wyoming each have fewer than 80,000 uninsured people, in a country where about 47 million lack insurance. In the House, those six states have 13 seats out of 435, 3 percent of the whole. In the Senate, those six members are crafting what may well be the blueprint for reform.

Climate change legislation, which passed in the House, also faces daunting odds. Why? Because agriculture, coal and oil interests hold far more sway in the Senate. In the House, the big coal state of Wyoming has a single vote to New York's 29 and California's 53. In the Senate, each state has two. The two Dakotas (total population: 1.4 million) together have twice as much say in the Senate as does Florida (18.3 million) or Texas (24.3 million) or Illinois (12.9 million).
Gee, that Constitution sure is inconvenient. It's so 18th century to care about federalism. MacGillis pooh poohs the Founders' interest in seeing the Senate as a moderating influence on possible extremism of the House. He rehearses the role that the Senate took as being the brake that the southern states had on any limitation on slavery before the Civil War or on preventing civil rights for decades. Yes, the Senate did serve that role, but is blocking cap and trade or the House's health care plans equivalent to preventing civil rights for minorities?

MacGillis also points to how senators from rural states maintain our distorted agricultural program including big subsidies for farmers. I would point out to MacGillis that most states have agricultural interests. California and New York senators will also be concerned with getting benefits for their farmers. It isn't the fault of the set-up of the Senate that continues these policies. It is the nature of the entire Congress. Do House representatives not vote for such subsidies and pork? Of course not.

Since we could not get rid of either the Electoral College or the equal representation of states in the Senate without a Constitutional amendment, there won't be a change any time soon. Ratification of an amendment requires 3/4 of the states so even small states would have an effective veto over any such change. So keep a lookout for the next effort to change the amendment procedure. Why should those small states be able to block change that bigger states prefer? Which can only be done by an amendment. Ironic, eh?

Fortunately, the Founders were much more concerned about putting brakes on popular passions than modern pundits are today.

UPDATE: Byron York comments on MacGillis's essay.
Like those progressives who dislike other parts of the legislative process, MacGillis seems not to appreciate the idea that the parts of the system work together to create a democratic and representative whole. Sure there are imbalances. For example, you could argue that the three most important people advancing Obama's agenda in the House are from San Francisco (Pelosi); Hollywood (Waxman); and Massachusetts (Rep. Barney Frank). Are they representative of the country as a whole? The short answer is no. They're not required to be. But if you put their leadership together with other balances within the House, and then against the different structure of the Senate, you've got a system that is both responsive to the expression of the voters' will last November and respectful of minorities as well. So as far as changing the Constitution is concerned -- well, maybe not.

9 comments:

Rick said...

But, the only way to change the amendment process is via the amendment process. So, it runs into exactly the same problem.

Rick

Pat Patterson said...

The one tool I have consistently read about to avoid having to amend the Constitution by ratification is using the 14th Amendment to change or dismantle the Electoral College and the current system for chosing the number of senators. Those hoping to change, at least now when they are in the majority, would argue that the Due Process Clause has been denied to the citizens of Washington DC on one hand and the larger states on the other.

But this would also require a series of events, much like that butterfly in the Amazon, to occur. But the most unlikely part will be to get the SCOTUS to sign on as even a liberal court will get cold feet over such a huge change made without the legislature leading the way.

tfhr said...

"Senate is now fair game".

Sure, I'm not happy with our House of Lords, but I'd rather see TERM LIMITS!

stubedobedu said...

Isn't the Electoral College and the Senate elements the Federalists were in favor of? I thought it was the state's rights advocates, among the founding fathers, who wanted the representational systems that ensured the larger states had a larger influence. The Federalists wanted central authority and didn't trust average Joe's as they tend to be cattle-like and act not with civility but reactive 'mob' behavior. The ThinkPink and TownHallers but two of the various recent examples.

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa62.htm

By the way, one of our worst early leaders (on so many levels it would be hard to list them all here) Andrew Jackson. Given his approach to governing, I'm really surprised the Electoral Collegg survived past his Presidency.

ZZMike said...

The Huffington Post - not exactly a rabid right-wing organization - has a post by Bill Maher (not exactly a rabid right-winger):

New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country

"... in the minute or so between my calling America stupid and the end of the Cialis commercial, CNN was flooded with furious emails ..."

(What did he expect?)

Here's the kicker:

"... I want decisions made by an elite group of people who know what they're talking about. That means Obama budget director Peter Orszag, not Sarah Palin.

Which is the way our founding fathers wanted it. James Madison wrote that "pure democracy" doesn't work because "there is nothing to check... an obnoxious individual." Then, in the margins, he doodled a picture of Joe the Plumber."
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Mr Knowitall Maher seems to have missed the part where the Founding Fathers did in fact know all about that, and set us up as a republic, not a democracy.

As far as that "elite group of people" go, I concur with Bill Buckley, who said that he'd rather be governed by the first thousand names in the Boston phone book than the Harvard faculty.

stubedobedu said...

Mr Maher didn't say we were a pure democracy, he is simply pointing out what he believes is the very behavior that was a major component of the debate that defined our constitution. Federalists did not trust the average person to put the energy into considering the details, big picture, etc and to not act rashly. It was Jefferson, Randolph, etc that favored proportional representation and democracy.

While I agree with much of his criticism of the average person's knowledge (and more importantly effort to verify what they 'know'), I'd would hope he could provide references for his statistics....

Frankly, I'd love it if every American had to study the summer of the Constitutional (Philadelphia) Convention. It is a great example of debate and compromise. How those men with very, very different ideas of governing worked it out is one of the best testimonies of our country that we have quite clearly learned preciously little from. Yes, it had a few flaws (Great Compromise... ugh) but otherwise, wow.

tfhr said...

stubedobedu,

Could it be that our biggest difference in opinion is that I believe the average American knows best what is best for him and you believe that government knows best?

That is certainly the case with Maher, but you may not agree.

Your last paragraph gets an A+. There are few things I am more certain of than knowing more American and world history is better than less.

stubedobedu said...

I think I've answered this before. I distribute my cynicism equally. Now, in fairness, I believe people have the potential for great things and well, I also believe government is also capable but again, it is dependent on the actions of people acting greatly. I sort of (but not completely) agree with some things Ayn Rand professed. I think whether you believe in self interest or the common good, you are usually acting selfishly. (yes, I am paraphrasing big time) I however view this not as an unchangeable fact, more of a condition we must actively be aware of so as to overcome.

I think most folks for most of their lives simply do not want to make any more effort than they have to. Now, while that would seem to make sense, I think we often do a lot less than we should. When things go badly, or at least not as well as we presumed they should, we blame. Doesn't matter what, but usually not ourselves. So, as an example, for me, criticizing folks obtaining most of their knowledge of topics like this one from the soundbytes on TV, is an accurate complaint. This however does not translate into government is better. They are not mutually exclusive. I complain becuase I expect better of us. I include me. Heck I enter into most of these discussions to be challenged, not to preach or to cheerlead with like minds. I participate in discussions on highly liberal and highly conservative sites. I like Betsy's blog as she collects various articles and opinion pieces and saves me the time to hunt them down, I presume that is the point. I don't always agree but but the same goes for the liberal sites as well.

tfhr said...

stu,

"I think most folks for most of their lives simply do not want to make any more effort than they have to."

These are the people that government abuses the most.