Steven Malanga has an important column looking at how we have come to have a very skewed idea of what health insurance should cover. And this has contributed, in turn, to increased health care costs. So many people seem to expect that they should get relatively cheap health insurance that should then cover most of their health care costs.
Recently I was listening to a radio program in which the host explained that in a few states health insurance policies issued by Blue Cross/Blue Shield were available at extremely reasonable prices, about $100 a month. The very first caller into the program demanded to know exactly what the annual deductible was in plans like this. When the host said $3,000 to $5,000 the caller responded, that isn't health insurance but catastrophic insurance. It's too expensive and that's why we need health care reform from Washington, he continued.
And there lies one of the problems with the health insurance reform debate. State government mandates and favorable tax treatment in Washington have so distorted the market for health insurance that a generation of Americans now look on medical coverage as something very different from other kinds of insurance that we buy. While we will pay several hundred bucks out of our own pockets to have a plumber come repair a leaky pipe, we'll balk at deductibles and a $50 co-pay for a doctor's visit. We've been schooled in this attitude by politicians who have mandated that health insurance do things that we'd never expect from other kinds of insurance, and by consumer advocates who will demand our legislators do something about a health insurance company that doesn't cover some optional procedure that has nothing to do with life and death.
Imagine if we had similar expectations for what our car and home insurance should cover. Malanga proposes that we remodel health insurance more on the line of those other insurances and adjust our thinking so that health insurance is more to prevent us from going bankrupt if we should get sick than to cushion us against all health care costs. And let's reduce the government regulations that skew the health insurance industry.
Consider auto insurance, which is typically required of us by states, and home insurance, which mortgage lenders demand. Both give us protection from financial ruin at more reasonable prices than health insurance because our options are greater and the scope of the coverage narrower. When we buy home insurance we are essentially purchasing security against a catastrophic event that could cost us our investment in our home and possibly ruin us financially. We don't expect this insurance to cover everything that goes wrong on the property. Instead, we accept that we will pay out of our own pockets the tradesmen who come and install our new water heater, fix our electrical short-circuits and repave our driveway. Many of us haven't gotten a health care bill in years equal to what we paid the plumber for his last visit because the cost of a home insurance policy that covered every leak and crumbling piece of pavement would be prohibitive.
There are significant other ways that government mandates treat health insurance differently, at great cost to all of us. Consider this scenario: You don't have home insurance and a big storm comes through and knocks over a tree into your roof. You can't just phone up an insurer, buy coverage and then submit a claim, even if you face financial ruin by not having the coverage. But that's more or less what you can do in health insurance under so-called guaranteed issue rules, in which someone who hasn't purchased insurance and gets sick can't be turned down for coverage. Needless to say, states that have guaranteed issued, like New Jersey and New York, have the highest health insurance premiums in the country because healthy people know they can run the risk of not buying insurance until they get sick. Insanely, the health reform package now on the table in Washington would create a federal version of guaranteed issue.
In auto insurance, some states have given us our own private version of tort reform to keep premium prices low. In these states, a driver can opt out of the litigation lottery when he purchases auto insurance by promising not to sue for pain and suffering if he's hit and injured by another driver. By doing this a policy holder can save hundreds of dollars a year on premiums. And yet for some reason the same option, that is, allowing us to buy a health insurance policy where we agree not to sue a health provider for pain and suffering if a treatment goes wrong, is not available, even though I imagine the cost savings would be enormous.
Government regulators also require us to buy so much more health insurance. In auto coverage, for instance, states will generally mandate that we have certain minimum coverage to compensate anyone we may crash into, but otherwise regulators will leave us alone to decide which options (towing, collision) we want to buy. By contrast, states will require buyers of individual and small group health policies to load up on mandatory coverage, including options that many people don't want to pay for, like fertility treatments. Politicians will often claim that they demand these coverages because they are looking out for our own good, but that's a difficult case to make persuasively when mandates help make insurance unaffordable for many people.
Sadly such reforms are impossible because we now have such unreal expectations of health insurance that should pay for our wellness visits and all our medications. There is no free lunch and no free health care.
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I think Ann Coulter said it best in her July 22 column: "People who pay $200 for a haircut are indignant if it costs more than a $20 co-pay to see a doctor."
Absolutely right. Covering routine visits isn't really insurance at all. Thanks for posting this.
Apparently Texas has been doing fairly well with medical tort reform (albeit there are some unintended consequences in other parts) in its health legislation.
Ann Coulter also thinks the welfare mom drives a Cadillac. Medical malpractice insurance has nothing to do with the cost of health care - lawyers are an easy scapegoat. Follow the logic - when did health care costs begin skyrocketing? 1) When stockholders in the for-profit health insurance industry began seeing decreased margins, and 2) when deregulation permitted direct-to-consumer drug advertising. The for-profit health industry spends vast resources lobbying the government and manipulating public policy to secure obscene profits! I want my premium going to doctors, not lobbyists and stockholders!
"...such reforms are impossible"
Not really, if we are to buy insurance ourselves, low premiums, high deductibles to be paid for with certain amount in the bank tax free that we can roll over until we die and leave to our family, and mendatory catatrophic.
If I don't need fertility treatment or an abortion, or if I don't want to treat my inoperable brain cancer, then I don't have to pay premiums and deductibles for those.
I suspect the Congress/ states were paid off, I mean, lobbied to set the requirements. As they say: follow the money.
Jason Barr has a strange kind of lack of understanding. It is beyond belief that he believes malpractice torts do not increase the cost of health care. Not only do surgeons routinely spend $80,000 for malpractice insurance (which, Jason, become a cost of doing business, just like an office and nurses), other doctors practice "defensive" medicine by ordering test to check for unlikely, but possible conditions.
Jason could, of course, reduce costs by agreeing to operate under 1970's conditions. That means no CT scan, no MRI, no PET scan. Instead, Jason could have exploratory surgery to see what the problem is. He also would not have laparoscopic surgery, so he could have the big scars.
Jason also labors under the misconception that health care costs increased for the strangest of reasons. He seems to believe that profits increase costs. No, actually profits decrease costs because they encourage efficiency and innovation while reducing waste. Jason might want to compare the fraud at the health care insurers versus the level of fraud at Medicare.
It is baffling as to why Jason claims consumer drug advertising is a part "skyrocketing" health care costs. In fact, the advertising brings people to the doctor for illnesses that have not yet been diagnosed. Of course, it might suit Jason if we save some money by having people suffer, but I assure you that few other believe that.
Finally, Jason is clearly unable to actually define "obscene profit". For example, the health insurers show an "obscene profit" of around 3.5% on revenue. Anyone, such as Jason, who runs around yelling "obscene profit" is clearly a liberal with a complete inability to read an income statement or understand basic finance. Jason needs a crash course in basic economics.
No one could be as foolish as Jason claims to be by his not wanting his money to go to "stockholders". Jason, news flash, stockholders own the company and provided the financing to get the company started in the first place. No stockholders, no company, no product. We can ask Jason if he goes to work for no pay, but rather out of the goodness of his heart.
Government both wants and encourages lobbyists. Where else does Jason think those campaign war chests come from?
It is difficult to understand how someone like Jason can show such basic misunderstanding in such few sentences. His post sounded like the ramblings of a 9 year old. What was it again about remaining silent and thought to be a fool rather than talking and proving yourself to be a fool.
Rick
Then do like the Amish and Mennonites do in the East and prepay the hospitals for an agreed on amount, usually for catastrophic or emergency services, and avoid the insurance companies altogether. Or pay cash because on average it is cheaper to pay cash over a period then it is to pay for insurance. Regardless of who the underwriter might be.
Um, Rick - profit *is* a cost. And it's a huge cost.
ANNUAL COMPENSATION (2006 and 2007):
-Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834
-H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million
- David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million
- Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million
- Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529
- Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771
-Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million
-Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million
-William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in retirement benefits
-Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, $1.5 million
-James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health Plans, $1.3 million
- Cleve L. Killingsworth, President/CEO Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3.6 million
- Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million
- Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group, Inc, $ 1,061,513
- Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555
- Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
- Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751
- Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555
-Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
Imagine how much denial of service they have to muster to pay for all this? I want my health care payments going to doctors. Not some insurance company CEO for his second yacht.
Let's get the insurance bureaucrats out of health care. No wonder insurance companies waste 30 cents out of every dollar on administration. They need that administration to deny and rescind coverage.
I suspect Jason Barr of being an astroturf advocate sent here to fend off calls for tort reform.
There is big, big, BIG money in the trial lawyers (and therefore to the Dems), and we can expect to see a lot of misinformation coming down the pike as they defend their cash cow.
The most recent figures I saw suggested that the cost of malpractice insurance was ~1-2% of health care costs.
On the other hand advertising and marketing budgets for Pharma companies are often as large as or larger than the research budget.
And insurance companies spend 30% of their income on administration, not on health. Medicare does it for one tenth of that.
Lets get the profit out of the current broken system, and put Americans' health first.
And as I pointed out earlier the actual adminstrative costs for Medicare are higher because much of the delivery costs are charged to the entire budget of HHS and not just Medicare. Plus there still is that little matter of the NYT finding that fraud accounts for 31.5% of Medicare costs.
Plus since those figures show up in a comment on Commerce Times it might be better if Bill used his own numbers are at least didn't try to pass of advocacy commentary as factual. Bill B must be self-taught as he still hasn't grasped the difference between stealing someone else's work, or the difference between fact and fiction.
http://tinyurl.com/lcj4gb
Using Mr Hanaway as an example his actual salary is $1.06 million, a bonus of $3 million and another $8 million probably from exercising stock options while over half is from unrealized stock gains which only among the left are counted as compensation while the rest of the world counts them as unrealized assets, like a house or a Ferrari Daytona. All the other plutocrats that Bill rails against are similarly misrepresented.
http://tinyurl.com/n28hlc
Maybe Bill ought to stick to reading the financial pages in English and not one of those foreign languages he claims to be intimate with. As it appears that economics along with sports and entertainment are something we can beat the pants off of him.
Biddle,
Can you provide us with a list of malpractice lawyers and their take home from fees, settlements and awards?
No?
Why not?
Your vitriol is getting in the way of clarity in your message, Pat.
Please take a rest for a while. I'm sure most people here are having difficulty understanding what you are trying to convey.
As opposed to using someone else's message?
Biddle,
You claim to earn something on the order of $350K/year, yet you say, "Lets get the profit out of the current broken system....".
Lets have you work but earn less than you must spend to break even on the mortgage, utilities, insurance, food, etc.. How about that?
You want entire corporations to attempt to function at a loss. You can see what it did to GM, do you want 1/5th of the American economy to collapse too? Do you want health care workers to earn less than competitive wages? What is it about you that makes you and liberals like you think you should be the arbiters of what is a "reasonable" wage for someone else's efforts?
By the way, where's that list of malpractice lawyers and their cut of each settlement or award?
Hi Rick (something). Couldn’t get your full name because you don’t have public access to your profile, Rick. No doubt there is much about the health insurance system I don’t understand, Rick, like why all of the sudden my premiums are increasing far beyond inflation and coinciding with dramatic lobbying amidst impending government legislation, Rick?
My wife is a doctor, Rick, and her malpractice insurance is all but negligible compared to the rest of her overhead, Rick. It is in fact the insurance companies that determine her fees, Rick, based on billing codes and the zip code in which she practices, Rick.
No doctor in their right mind would revert to old medical practices Rick, so I won’t even bother arguing that point with you, Rick.
I became interested in the health care debate during the 2004 Presidential debates, Rick, when both candidates agreed that Tort Reform was the way to control health care costs, Rick. I become suspicious when both sides agree as to the prescription for reform, Rick, so I did some bit of research.
Rick, it turns out that the principal culprit behind the rise in health care costs was time and time again cited as the collapse of the HMO’s, Rick, meaning that the principal cause of increasing health care costs to the patient was the depreciating return to speculators in a newly invented scheme to seek profit from people in need, Rick.
Hey Rick, maybe we should privatize fire departments so investors can make a buck off people’s homes burning to the ground? That’s what happened to health care, Rick.
Admittedly, consumer drug advertising is a pet peeve of mine, Rick, and also a thorn in the side of doctors who invested years of study to correctly diagnose illness only to have patients suddenly start presenting with self-diagnosis based on pervasive commercial advertising, Rick.
Rick, I don’t mind my hard earned dollars going to investors for most goods and services – God bless them for financing new technologies that improve daily living for us all, Rick. But our grandparents didn’t pay private investors for health care coverage, Rick.
Equitus, I don’t have a clue as to what an astroturf advocate is. But I am very cautious about restricting lawsuits as the third branch of government is frequently the last vestige for justice from our system of government.
And Rick, thanks for the ad hominem attacks, Rick. Really strengthens your position, Rick. So far as the ramblings of a 9 year old go, couldn’t you at least permit me the education of a 12th grader, Rick? And “ramblings,” Rick? Wish I were more cohesive but it’s a freaking blog, not a white paper, Rick.
From where do you derive your special expertise, Rick?
My goodness, Jason Barr! Hey, Jason Barr, are you aware that you, Jason Barr, addressed "Rick" by name 30 times in your last comment, Jason Barr? This strikes me as a bit creepy, Jason Barr, and phony.
Where did you, Jason Barr, acquire your expert writing skills, Jason Barr? And do you, Jason Barr, ever provide links to your assertions? (I'm asking Jason Barr this.)
Jason did present an impressive rebuttal to Rick, Equ.
How about addressing that, Equ?
Biddle,
How about you addressing some of the points levied at you before you take up with Jason Barr?
Start with this:
Where is your list of malpractice lawyers and their take home from fees, settlements and awards?
Then explain this:
"Lets get the profit out of the current broken system....".
Do you work for free?
Jason Barr made lots of assertions that I have reason to doubt, but no facts to support. (I know that's fine for you, BB, but not for me.)
Also, I fundamentally disagree with Jason Barr's apparent philosophy that health care is not a commodity - so no "investors" or profit should be involved. A non-starter for most Americans.
Equitus, it took a while but you finally got around to making a position statement rather than just attack those with whom you disagree! I won’t bother addressing your aspersions against me as in making them you display a flagrant disregard for the obvious.
Yes – my arguments are based on philosophical grounds. Others will provide facts, figures and statistics, the validity and implications of which will be debated ad infinitum. As the saying goes, “There are lies, damn lies and statistics.”
But behind the entire debate lies a philosophy, one that has gained unprecedented momentum in recent American history. It used to be called laissez-faire. Now it is more frequently referred to it as free-market economics.
Free-market fundamentalists are so focused on a simple, single objective that they completely ignore the complexities of a dynamic and evolving marketplace. They also bear a belief I find absurd – that competition alone will result in responsible corporate behavior.
We are an ingenious species that unless tempered by civility and regulation will resort to any deception to defeat our enemy (sometimes without provocation or threat, and sometimes for sport). Some feel that a survival-of-the fittest, law-of-the-jungle environment is healthy for the market and for society. I like to think we left that mentality behind eons ago in favor of civilization.
Regulation is lost as the free-market push expands and, perhaps coincidentally, civility seems to be dissipating too. I know I am going to take some heat for posting that observation but try to look at it as thought-provoking rather than threatening.
And hey, I never purported to be an expert in any of these matters. Like most of us I have a day job, a family – the semblance of a life! Frankly I grow weary debating points that have been made a thousand times.
However, I do have a valid perspective. It may not align with yours but that doesn’t make it less worthy. So when you commit ad hominem attacks you not only devalue your position, you also devalue my humanity, which should be intolerable in a civilized society.
If all goes well I will be a dad again next February. My baby will most likely be born in a not-for-profit hospital. Yes, there are non-profit hospitals, and no, the doctors and nurses there don’t work for free.
Many Americans share my philosophy, including the good people who will help bring my baby into the world.
If you care, here is a thoughtful commentary on why the free-market model doesn’t work in health care: http://bit.ly/mM5Pu
Peace!
tf - again with your false belief that "malpractice insurance is the cause of the high cost of health insurance"!
A moment's googling convincingly demolishes that erroneous view.
"The Congressional Budget Office estimates that while tort reforms could lower malpractice-insurance premiums for physicians by as much as 25 to 30 percent, the overall savings to our health care system would be a minuscule one-half percent."
http://www.aarpmagazine.org/health/health_care_costs.html
Or this study from 2005, "a new study by Dartmouth College researchers suggests that huge jury awards and financial settlements for injured patients have not caused the explosive increase in doctors' insurance premiums."
http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/RisingCostOfMedicalMalpracticeInsurance.htm
Or there's this, from our very own Congressional Budget Office, "malpractice costs account for less than 2 percent of that spending [health care spending, private or governmental]"
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4968&type=0
Not convinced yet? Here's what CALPIRG concluded "... possible causes for rising health care costs, from the cost of caring for an aging population to the price of malpractice insurance. These factors play a very small role in the cost of health care"
http://www.calpirg.org/home/reports/report-archives/health-care/health-care/diagnosing-the-high-cost-of-health-care-how-spending-on-unnecessary-treatments-administrative-waste-and-overpriced-drugs-inflates-the-cost-of-health-care-in-california
You are very good at self-deception, tf, skilled at denying facts that conflict with your rigid partisan dogma. You can find any number of partisan sites that support your muddled beliefs.
But you can't argue against the CBO conclusion "malpractice costs account for less than 2 percent of that spending [health care spending, private or governmental]". The high cost of health care in America isn't due to malpractice costs or awards.
Remember how we went through several years of you denying the realities of the Iraq war? That we were lied into it by Bush and the GOP, that it was a fiasco, that Rumsfeld should have been fired years earlier for incompetence, how we were losing for several years, how the surge failed because it didn't result in political reconciliation (the stated goal), and so on and so on. How you wouldn't acknowledge any of those facts? And they all turned out to be true in the end. I don't expect this to be any different.
Try to avoid advocacy sites as you attempt to argue against this inconvenient fact. Tort and malpractice costs are an insignificant part of the health care budget.
Ok, let's go over the links Bill tried to provide but forgot that the longer links won't show up. The AARP argument refers only to malpractice premiums which obviously don't represent the total cost of malpractice awards. The Dartmouth study has been pretty well eviscerated as it did not take into account payments directly to the hospitals nor settlements that did not go to court. And the last, the CBO report, clearly states in the 2nd paragraph that the main reason for rising costs is a combination of medical malpractice awards, more expensive treatments and bad investments. The 2% refers to malpractice insurance not payments or awards. The last is obviously one of those advocacy sites that Bill cautions against so it is safe to ignore.
Next time use TinyURL!
Well, obviously I was wrong - someone is reckless and dumb enough to try to argue that black is white, up is down.
Pat, please tell us all how you conclude something contrary to what the CBO conclude. Please do. The CBO report I referenced says quite clearly "Malpractice costs amounted to an estimated $24 billion in 2002, but that figure represents less than 2 percent of overall health care spending. Thus, even a reduction of 25 percent to 30 percent in malpractice costs would lower health care costs by only about 0.4 percent to 0.5 percent"
In other words, even if a new law somehow reduced malpractice awards to zero, total health care costs would be lowered by only 1.6 to 2%.
The cost of malpractice is insignificant in total health care costs. You and tf seem to think otherwise. Please show us the numbers. Don't just wave your hands and hope to distract everyone with fervent beliefs. You look like just another birther when you do that.
As I pointed out the 2nd paragraph states that, "The available evidence suggests that premiums have risen both because insurance companies have faced increased costs to pay claims (from growth in malpractice awards) and because of reduced income from their investments and short-term factors in the insurance market. Some observers fear that rising malpractice premiums will cause physicians to stop practicing medicine, thus reducing the availability of health care in some parts of the country."
Biddle,
I'm so glad you've finally become an adherent to the CBO. Now please tell your leftist buddies trying to push this socialized health care scam on the rest of us that the CBO says it "Sees No Net Federal Cost Savings in Dem Health Plans".
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/cbo-sees-no-federal-cost-savings-in-dem-health-plans.html
That's been out there for more than a month! Where have you been?
Doug Elmendorf, CBO director, said this:
"...on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."
and this:
"...the creation of a new subsidy for health insurance, which is a critical part of expanding health insurance coverage in our judgement, would by itself increase the federal responsibility for health care that raises federal spending on health care. It raises the amount of activity that is growing at this UNSUSTAINABLE rate and to offset that there has to be very substantial reductions in other parts of the federal commitment to health care, either on the tax revenue side through changes in the tax exclusion or on the spending side through reforms in Medicare and Medicaid.
And don't forget about this from the CBO director:
"Although different types of preventive care have different effects on spending, the evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall,...."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/congressional-budget-expert-says-preventive-care-will-raise-not-cut-costs.html
I'm really surprised at your choice to turn to the CBO as they have not been your friend in this fight. I guess desperation will do that but did you find anything from them that said tort reform would raise costs? Nope.
I've never said that tort reform by itself is the answer. That is the concept that sticks in your craw the most, courtesy of the trial lawyer lobby. Tort reform certainly will help if it is thorough enough to foster a reduction in defensive medicine. Not surprisingly that failed to get a mention from you. I wonder why.
The JAMA study, "Defensive Medicine Among High-Risk Specialist Physicians in a Volatile Malpractice Environment" asked "how often physicians alter their clinical behavior because of the threat of malpractice liability,...and the consequences of those changes...."
Results: "Nearly all (93%) reported practicing defensive medicine... 43% reported using imaging technology in clinically unnecessary circumstances. Avoidance of procedures and patients that were perceived to elevate the probability of litigation was also widespread. Forty-two percent of respondents reported that they had taken steps to restrict their practice in the previous 3 years, including eliminating procedures prone to complications, such as trauma surgery, and avoiding patients who had complex medical problems or were perceived as litigious. Defensive practice correlated strongly with respondents’ lack of confidence in their liability insurance and perceived burden of insurance premiums."
Conclusion: "Defensive medicine is highly prevalent among physicians in Pennsylvania who pay the most for liability insurance, with potentially serious implications for cost, access, and both technical and interpersonal quality of care."
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/293/21/2609
That's the thing Biddle. You always seem to put the interest of the trial lawyer lobby ahead of all other measures to reduce health care spending when you should be looking for any means possible to provide relief. Your unwillingness to do so belies any claim you might make that this is about helping to reduce costs.
Biddle,
You seem to have a real problem discerning between fact, opinion and lies. Your opinion that Bush or Hillary Clinton, or her husband, or their footman, Al Gore, lied about Iraq is absurd. If you want to attack a decision made based on intelligence then you can't very well overlook that Bush's predecessor and many senior Dem officials were in agreement on the WMD issue. Where is your proof that anyone lied? Congress voted to give President Bush authority to use force. Are you going to accuse them all of being liars?
President Obama has failed to convince this nation that he is acting in their best interest with regard to health care "reform". Attacking opponents as Nazis and "birthers", or whatever, will not change that Biddle. You have to learn to be persuasive and that will take facts you don't have.
Biddle,
Read this again:
Conclusion: "Defensive medicine is highly prevalent among physicians in Pennsylvania who pay the most for liability insurance, with potentially serious implications for cost, access, and both technical and interpersonal quality of care."
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/293/21/2609
Understand?
Why is it so hard for Pat and tf to just acknowledge when they are wrong about something?
The cost of malpractice awards and insurance is INSIGNIFICANT. Reducing it to zero (magicially) would not have a significant effect on health care costs.
Just acknowledge it and move on. It's not such an enormous deal, and I forgive you.
Bill your original claim was that the premiums for medical malpractice insurance was 1-2% of total spending but now you have substituted the cost of medical practice awards. What exactly are you arguing?
Biddle,
Texas tort reformed lowered the cost of health care in that state by attracting doctors to come practice there and by cutting down on defensive medicine.
Why are you opposed to that?
Go back and read the JAMA report on doctors surveyed in PA.
Conclusion: "Defensive medicine is highly prevalent among physicians in Pennsylvania who pay the most for liability insurance, with potentially serious implications for cost, access, and both technical and interpersonal quality of care."
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/293/21/2609
Could it be that the Dem dependence on trial lawyer lobby money prevails over improving health care and lowering costs?
Where are your principles?
Biddle,
Still looking for those principles?
Check and see if you dropped them somewhere between Obama's pledge for a transparent process, the revelation of Tom Daschles' tax free ride to failure as the would be HHS Secretary, and his reemergence as the President's top advisor on the politics of health care, despite the Obama promise to foresake lobbyists. There are a lot of cracks there that could easily hide your scant set of principles.
You said you make above $350K/year and as out of touch as you seem to be, are you sure you don't work inside the Beltway?
a list of malpractice lawyers and their take home from fees, settlements and awards
How about John Edwards' millions? Cerebral palsy is not necessarily the doc's fault. Sick babies are not necessarily the doc's fault.
When the doc is at fault, though, the lawyer surely should not profit from suing and winning, because there should be no profits in medical care. Right?
http://news.findlaw.com/newsmakers/john.edwards.html
Griffin v. Teague, et al.
(Mecklenburg Co. Superior Ct., NC, 1997) Application of abdominal pressure and delay in performing c-section caused brain damage to infant and resulted in child having cerebral palsy and spastic quadriplegia. Verdict set record for malpractice award. Medical Malpractice
$23.25M
verdict
class-factotum,
It's hard to find an Edwards article these days that doesn't have "baby" mentioned in it. Just saying.
You obviously done research on this issue, so how long do you think the current record for medical malpractice awards will stand?
Not completely unrelated: How come we never hear about lawyers being sued for malpractice? You hardly ever hear of them being disbarred. In fact, the last big one I can think of was Bill Clinton.
Pat - you seem completely oblivious to the connection between "insurance premiums paid" and "insured events paid out".
Over a period of years, the premiums paid plus profit taken, has to equal the payouts made.
I take it that basic accounting is not your strong suit. Maybe you should stick to ideology, like tf.
I take that you have changed the topic again!
Pat Patterson,
No change - still a moron:
"Over a period of years, the premiums paid plus profit taken, has to equal the payouts made." ~ Biddle
"profit taken"?
"has to equal"? Unless Biddle is saying he would prefer them to go bankrupt.
Oh, that's right, despite his incoherent speech, Biddle claims to haul in $350K/year but cannot tolerate the notion of a business making a profit.
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