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Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Defining Astroturf up

Ryan Sanger has a very good column in the New York Times today objecting to the characterization of people who come out for or against various health care proposals as AstroTurf. Organizing people to be active in an issue they care about has a long history in our country.
American history is littered with movements that have organized aggressively to exaggerate their sway. Samuel Adams was a master manipulator of the town hall, rallying opponents of British policy to show up at meetings and then publicizing the outcomes — communicated through the colonies’ Committees of Correspondence — to embolden patriots in other towns. While one might resist drawing a moral equivalence between our founding fathers and today’s self-proclaimed Tea Partiers, the principle is the same: outraged citizens married to savvy organizers.
The term "Astroturf" in a political context had a very specific meaning about ginning up false support by faking letters or calls to politicians. But generating passion that then impels people to call Congress or show up at a townhall is what political organizing is all about.

He notes that both sides are doing it.
One reason the town hall protesters are called Astroturf is that they have ties to groups with corporate financing like FreedomWorks, run by Dick Armey, the former House majority leader. But the Obama administration has been doing its own stage managing. At a town hall in Virginia last month, the president took questions from members of organizations with close ties to the administration, including the Service Employees International Union and Organizing for America, which is a part of the Democratic National Committee. The Web site of another liberal group, Health Care for America Now, instructs counter-protesters to “bring enough people to drown” out the Tea Partiers.

Is this Astroturf?
Instead of denigrating people who are moved to action on issues that are important to them, let's acknowledge that they wouldn't be active if they didn't feel strongly. We should applaud such civic engagement - that's always what we're encouraging our young people to do. We approve when kids "get involved" and go to a county commission meeting. Why shouldn't we approve when senior citizens do the same thing?
Here’s a rule: Organizing isn’t cheating. Doing everything in your power to get your people to show up is basic politics. If they believe what they’re saying, no matter who helped organize them, they’re citizens and activists. The language at the town halls may get ugly and rough. But it’s not Astroturf.

20 comments:

tfhr said...

"Organizing isn’t cheating". Ryan Sanger's definition of organizing might be a little different than say, ACORN's.

As has been repeated many times, projection may be at play here as Dems accuse their detractors of possibly using tactics they have employed themselves.

Leo said...

I think using paid protesters would be considered astroturfing, see Craig's List.

Pat Patterson said...

I think that part of the left's over-the-top reaction sometimes is the belief that these questions have been made moot over the years. At least among the cirlces that know better. And to hear people coming together and venting at full volumne concerning issues of choice and the Constitution must be akin to being kidnapped in Guam by some 90+ year old Imperial Japanese Marine. He's there, with his bolt-action but that simply can't be happening.

Skay said...

We know that ACORN receives tax payer money--and thanks to the Democrats/Obama and the "stimulus bill"--is set to receive quite a bit more.
We have seen video of ACORN being bussed into some of the town hall meetings in school busses complete with professionally made signs.

Grass roots organizing is one thing-but once Federal taxpayer money is involved -and considering the close ties THIS sitting President has with this questionable group--the nicest thing you can call it is astroturf.

equitus said...

From my first hand experience, I'm not at all convinced that FreedomWorks has had much to do with people showing up at these meetings. Not nearly to the extent that SEIU, OFA, and ACORN are getting their people there. I'm willing to reconsider if anyone ever gave any evidence.

For now, Sanger's equivalency is unconvincing.

Bill B. said...

"We have seen video of ACORN being bussed into some of the town hall meetings in school busses complete with professionally made signs."

Please point to an example of your claim. I will be surprised if you do. You most likely got it off some rightwing extremist site, and the video is not at all what you claim.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

Here are some eyewitness accounts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSnUa1B8Gac&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnearlynobodysnews.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F08%2Facorn-members-bussed-into-town-hall.html&feature=player_embedded#t=148

Extra credit: Who are those people in the red shirts?

Pat Patterson said...

That is an well-thought and fair request. Find a video but don't worry because it's from a site Bill B identifies as extremist and it certainly won't prove what is claimed. Why bother?

Skay said...

Obviously BB you do not watch the news.

Bill B. said...

Yes, you are correct SKay, I do not get my news (or any information, really) from television.

I get it from reading a wide variety of newspaper, some of them published in foreign cities and in foreign languages.

For contentious matters, I read serious books and look at the source data and reports.

You could probably beat the pants off me in a trivia quiz about sport or entertainment. On the other hand, I have been able to use that knowledge to work in something more interesting than drudgery and do very well at it. I wonder who is better informed.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

You can still use YouTube and see your point about the ACORN buses refuted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSnUa1B8Gac&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnearlynobodysnews.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F08%2Facorn-members-bussed-into-town-hall.html&feature=player_embedded#t=148

Skay said...

Well bb--no wonder you are an Obama supporter -- you both have so much in common.

Bill B. said...

Well, the video did come from an extreme rightwing site (Fox News), but I have to hand it to you.

ACORN hired a couple of buses so people could attend a town hall meeting. Unlike the astro turfing right wingers, they weren't there to disrupt the meeting, and as the Fox spokeswoman said, they have every right to be there.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

What foreign language newspapers do you read?

"For contentious matters, I read serious books and look at the source data and reports."

Wow. But you never seem to cite any of them. Maybe you meant pretentious instead of contentious, because that is certainly how you come off here.

For someone that claims to be better informed than others, you provide scant evidence.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

Nobody here has suggested that ACORN, or anyone else for that matter, does not have right to voice their opinion. We just marvel at the hypocrisy of those on the left that scream "Astroturf" while looking the other way from their ACORN brethren.

equitus said...

Here'a another link to help BB out, since he seems to have great deal of trouble finding actual useful information.

I suspect he usually has an army of secretaries helping him out.

Pat Patterson said...

I think Bill B means by foreign languages are those that agree with him but wear funny hats and probably have better beer and tiny cars.

Bill B. said...

What do you need proved to you, Equitus? I would be happy to light a candle for you.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

Lighting candles? You spend most of your time here lighting your farts. Try answering the questions about your self-proclaimed linguistic expertise or even owning up to your gaff about ACORN busing.

equitus said...

Thanks for the offer, BB. What you've provided so far is more than proof enough for me. I'm convinced!