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Wednesday, August 05, 2009

Astroturf for me, but not for thee

I think that the Democrats are making a big mistake by demonizing people coming out to townhalls to protest against the Democrats' health care proposals. Robert Gibbs thinks that some of the emotion out there is being manufactured by the "Brooks Brothers Brigade." Apparently, Barbara Boxer is possessed of similar amazing powers of mind-reading because she knows that people sincerely opposed to the Democrats's plan wouldn't be well-dressed. If they were wearing T-shirts, would that make them sincere? Memo to astroturfers out there: be sure to tell your minions to dress down for the townhalls.

But what if people did come out to these meetings because they were being "astroturfed" by conservative groups or groups allied with the health insurance industry? What would be so illegitimate about that? Liberals have used similar techniques for their issues. What do you think a community organizer does? The whole idea of organizing a community is to energize and assist people to use their numbers and voices to achieve their goals.

And, by the way, the Democrats and their liberal allies are using those same supposedly despised astroturf techniques against members of their own party who are feared to be wavering on the leadership's health care plans. As the WSJ reports,
The news is how the political left and its lobbies are roughing up fellow Democrats who won’t get with President Obama’s government-run program. They’re treating the centrists who helped make them a majority as if they were Newt Gingrich without the social conscience.

On Friday, Democracy for America and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee put out a “rapid-response ad” against Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson, who is lukewarm about a government-run insurance scheme, the so-called public option. “Will Sen. Nelson choose the insurance interests who fund his campaigns to the tune of over $2 million dollars?” the ad declares. Democracy for America calls the ad “a warning shot to any Senator who tries to block President Obama’s public health insurance option.”

Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus is another target because he’s negotiating with Republicans. The same “progressive” outfits recently ran an ad attacking Mr. Baucus for “threatening” the public option and “taking” $3.9 million “from health and insurance interests.” The Montana Democrat was also rapped for trying to scale back the cost to under $900 billion. In case Mr. Baucus didn’t get the hint, fellow Senator Tom Harkin publicly noted last week that Democrats hold a secret ballot for committee chairmen every two years. Better hire a food taster, Max.

Over in the House, the Blue Dogs have received similar treatment since they raised doubts last months about the 5.4% surtax, among other problems in the House bill. The DNC immediately targeted the districts of 12 Democratic Members of Henry Waxman’s Energy and Commerce Committee with a “‘It’s time for reform” television ad. MoveOn.org also called out its troops to pressure Blue Dog Democrats not to miss “a once-in-a-generation chance to pass real health care reform.” The pressure seems to have worked because enough Blue Dogs fell in line to pass the bill with only token changes through committee last week.

....Even the Democratic National Committee is trashing Democrats, presumably with a green light from Mr. Obama and Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Mr. Obama’s political arm, Organizing for America, which is officially a wing of the DNC, is running ads to press Democratic Senators in Arkansas, Indiana, Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Nebraska and Ohio. The outfit has also staged demonstrations outside Senator Bill Nelson’s Florida offices. The campaign is heavy-handed enough that even Majority Leader Harry Reid denounced it as “a waste of money.”
Many of these supposed Blue Dogs are Democrats who won in Republican-leaning districts by running as centrists and fiscal conservatives. What is going to happen to those Democrats in 2010 if they vote against the wishes of their constituents to fall in line for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid?
If there’s a voter backlash in 2010, these Members will also be the first to be washed out to sea. Yet it’s becoming clearer by the day that Democratic leaders view these moderates as mere cannon-fodder footsoldiers in the great liberal revolution of 2009. And if you have to shoot a couple of them yourself to keep them all marching straight, so be it.
For a party that argued that we should get out of Iraq because that is what polls were telling us that the people wanted, they seem ready to ignore polls that are telling them that people don't want health care reform if it is going to expand the deficit or that people just don't support the Democrats' health care plans.

Marc Ambinder, not a member of any right-wing cabal, acknowledges that both sides use astroturf to generate political movement for programs they support or oppose. And he argues that astroturfing works only when there is legitimate anger or feeling to motivate people to come out in their free time to express that anger. If people aren't upset, they won't show up for an August meeting.
Democrats were able to defeat President Bush on Social Security because they found a way to capitalize on inherent skepticism about forcing that cherished institution to change. Make no mistake, the effort to defeat Social Security reform won because of a mix of organic anxiety, inorganic organizing, focus grouped-messaging and wealthy people and interests writing large checks. Today, we're at a similar juncture, except for the fact that the wealthy, organized/organic/inorganic protesters are on the other side of an issue. Democrats may have used different tactics -- protesting outside of places as opposed to inside of them -- but that's not terribly germane. It's true that health care reform in general is more popular than Social Security reform was, but that fact is not mutually exclusive with the fact that, because Democrats have to get to 60 votes in the Senate, there are meaningful and relevant anxieties too. The point is that, in terms of enthusiasm, on health care the right is capitalizing on a weak "pro" side and actual anxiety in the same way that the left capitalized on an weak "pro" side and actual anxiety on Social Security. Even if you think that the Dems have the right policy on both issues, the strategic analogy is, I think, valid. Social Security privatization failed because it was not popular, because Democrats out-gamed Republicans, and the because the Bush administration failed to find an effective argument that outgamed the gamers. And for a few other reasons too.

Astroturfing strikes us -- and me -- as dishonest because it masks real motivations, like the desire of industries to maintain the status quo. It allows powerful interests to magnify their voices at the expense of those without a megaphone. Be skeptical of Astrotufing. Totally. But technological change has very quickly shrunk the blade of grass, because it's much less expensive and much easier to start and sustain a movement. Sometimes, as in the case of health care, both sides Astroturf. What begats success? The Astroturfing? Or the underlying anxieties? I'll posit that Astroturfing tends to fail when there is nothing to sustain it, and it has a better chance of succeeding when the opposition can't figure out how to Astroturf their way into the same enthusiasm channel.
If Democrats are going to knock people who are sincerely angry by pooh-poohing their anger as being manufactured or are really just Birthers, they're going to risk ticking off a lot of people even more than they are already ticked. Nothing could be more irritating is being told that you don't feel what you dang well know that you feel.

18 comments:

Bill B. said...

Blow off all the steam you like. But I keep coming back to the phrase that President Bush junior used "Elections have consequences".

And the consequence of the country voting in a landslide for President Obama is that America will have a progressive agenda for the next 8 years. We will get nationally-organized healthcare; we'll get gays allowed to marry the person they choose; we'll avoid costly, pointless wars.

To most people, these are good things.

Ken Ashford said...

I think you don't understand what is meant in this context by "manufactured anger".

When you have the conservative media espousing lies about, say, euthanasia for the elderly, then YES -- a lot of people who rely on the conservative media for the information are going to get GENUINELY angry. But it's genuine anger built on manufactured lies and spin -- hence, manufactured anger.

I mean, the conservative lobbyists and think tanks actually have people out there on Medicaid and VA benefits protesting government-run healthcare, without any apparent understanding that they already are benefiting from government-run healthcare. I think at some point, Dems HAVE to dismiss stupidity, if only because theoe people will just follow the Hannity/Limbaugh drumbeat no matter how much it hurts their own self-interest.

tfhr said...

Biddle,

"Elections have consequences"

That should be the letterhead of every government form you'd have to fill out for Obamacare. In fact, put that over the door of every soon to be overcrowded hospital and clinic too.

I think you're counting your chickens before they hatch if you believe that Obama will just walk right into a second term. I'd saying he's serving a second term already - - Jimmy Carter's second term.

tfhr said...

Ken Ashford,

Are you personally familiar with the state of care at VA medical centers and do you currently draw Medicare benefits? (I'm guessing that you meant Medicare and not Medicaid)

These people that you malign for either complaining or demanding answers to their questions are speaking from personal experience. The Dems will brush them off at their own peril but you should stop and consider that these two poorly run programs are the evidence right before your face that the government does not do well at managing, funding, or providing health care.

The mere fact that politicians have such a heavy influence in Medicare and the VA should cause you to ask yourself if you would rather have life changing decisions in the hands of doctors or in the hands of politicians.

mark said...

Actually, thfh, it's very clear from the signs and the shouting at the protests that people don't understand that Medicare and VA are run by the govt. Just as it is clear that people don't realize we already have redistribution of wealth. I didn't hear many complaints here when Bush's last tax rebate included $300/child. Maybe those here opposed to socialism will return that money to the govt. I know you're in favor of a flat tax. How about a flat tax without any deductions? You want to have kids or buy a house? Good for you - but don't expect govt. to subsidize your choices. Perhaps not a bad way to go.

tfhr said...

mark,

Only you would consider giving people their money back as redistribution of wealth but in as far as the money that went to families that paid no federal income taxes, we can agree that it was wrong to hand them other people's money.

As for people shouting things you don't like at people you do like, they're angry because they don't trust a government that runs the VA and Medicare so poorly. How do you keep missing that?

Flat tax? Sign me up.

ZZMike said...

"... Barbara Boxer is possessed of similar amazing powers of mind-reading because she knows that people sincerely opposed to the Democrats's plan wouldn't be well-dressed."

As opposed to demonstrators on the Left, who are almost unanimously badly-dressed - some even talking to disguise themselves as caricatures of Bush, or giant bananas - and severely ill-behaved - leaving behind trails of broken windows and sidewalk litter - and not very bright.

Obama's second term? The only way that'll happen is the Chavez way. Which would not be surprising.

Pat Patterson said...

I finding it pretty funny that mark, et al., consider that someone who currently receives his Medicare benefits and those that use VA facilities have no right to protest. Maybe they resent the extension of those two programs to people that have not contributed either a dime or service to the country.

BTW, it will be mandatory for the doctors to provide end of life, etc consultations or else. If they become identified as not qualified providers then they are no longer paid so if grandma is intubated for over 72 hours and that is considered the cutoff for qualified care then grandma is a goner.

dogwood said...

People at these townhalls are being used as cash cows for the likes of Glenn Beck, Hannity etc. I see one N.C. representative is receiving death threats. Violence means better ratings. I saw a clip of Beck the other day asking his loyal followers not to get violent because another Timothy McVeigh would make concervatives look bad. How interesting. Killing hundreds of Americans wouldn't be bad for the victims, their families, their communities or the country. It would be bad for conservatives. Not unlike one of Betsy's heroes, Jonah Goldberg, who immediately came out with an interesting spin on the Holocost Museum shooter - he was really a liberal. Where were all these principled protesters when the Medicare drug bill was passed? Oh that's right; Dick Cheney said "Deficits don't matter." I actually have more respect for politicians than bloggers and media talking heads. Read through the archives of any blog and see how quickly the blooger changes his tune when his team comes in or goes out of power. It's stunning.

tfhr said...

Pat Patterson,

"Maybe they resent the extension of those two programs to people that have not contributed either a dime or service to the country".

Exactly.

equitus said...

We welcome newcomers Ken Ashworth and dogwood to Betsy's post on astroturfing. So apt!

It's fascinating when lib/Dems resort to projection - accusing their foes of exactly what they are guilty of. Do they really think anyone but the true believers will fall for it?

So Cal Jim said...

It's amusing to see the Democrats getting their collective panties in a bunch because conservative voters have the gall to publicly protest against socialized medicine and the fraud of "cap and trade." What ever happened to, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism?" And wasn't it less than a year ago when the Obamessiah himself urged his acolytes to "...get in people's faces?" The Dems were all about dissent......then.

The most gifted contortionist has nothing on a liberal's ability to comfortably bend and twist his mind around his own hypocrisy.

Locomotive Breath said...

And consequences have elections. As the Dems will find out in 2010. Many of them shouldn't bother taking off their coats, they won't be staying.

Bill B. said...

"BTW, it will be mandatory for the doctors to provide end of life, etc consultations or else"

BTW, that is just a right wing lie.

Why would you pass on a lie? This is what people mean by "manufactured anger".

The bill actually says, if a person wants such a consultation, the health provider has to pay for it.

Pat Patterson said...

Read it again Bill it is mandatory for the doctors to provide that consultation as part of their practice and that the number will eventually become part of whether they are considered to have provided the necessary level or qualified care.

Since I doubt you have read it all the pertinent passage is Section 1233.

tfhr said...

Biddle & Ken Ashford,

End of Life Counseling:

From page 425, lines 10 - 12
(10) if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
(11) not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
(12) consultation shall include the following:

Continued on page 426, lines 4 - 8
(4) "(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
(5) continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail-
(6) able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene-
(7)fits for such services and supports that are available
(8)under this title.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

Biddle, you should consider that people don't trust an arrangement between government that will pay the doctors if it would be cheaper for the patient to expire. Whether such counseling is mandatory or not, people don't like the association between health care providers and government cost cutters. Clear?

Continue on and bring Ken Ashford with you....

Where do people get the idea about euthanasia? Copy and paste to watch a Channel 2 KATU local news report from Oregon regarding the State's disposition of one cancer patient's costly treatment and the subsequent refusal to pay for it...though Oregon will pay for her doctor assisted suicide.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/03/video-oregon-says-no-to-chemotherapy-offers-assisted-suicide-instead/

also available here:

http://www.katu.com/news/26119539.html?video=YHI&t=a

Watch the report Biddle and then you can understand the unbridled distrust that many Americans have for a business relationship between the government and their health care providers. The relationship is already a failed endeavor, so why would we want it on a greater and grander scale?!

Bill B. said...

You need to read more carefully, Pat. Doctors have to provide the service, but *only* for patients who request it.

Your wording of it is just wrong - it states that the service is mandatory, (whether or not anyone requests it).

Are you deliberately trying to deceive the shallow thinkers here?

Pat Patterson said...

Obviously I managed to confuse at least one, you!