MR. GREGORY: That's become a controversial point. You have some banks who are saying, "Look, we're in pretty healthy shape here. We want to give back this bailout money. We don't want the taxpayers' money." And the administration has appeared to say, "Hey, not so fast." Wouldn't that be a good thing?In other words, Secretary Geithner knows better than the banks themselves what is in their best interest. Now you might argue that these banks got themselves into this mess and the government had to bail them out so now the government, in a domestic version of Colin Powell's Pottery Barn rule owns the mess. But have we seen any indication of such brilliance on Geithner or anyone in the Department of the Treasury's part to indicate that they have any better sense of how to run these banks than the people whose livelihood depends on their making the right decisions? And remember that some of these banks that want to pay back the TARP funds didn't want to take the money in the first place, but were forced to.
DR. SUMMERS: Well, the administration's been, I think, consistent and clear in taking what I would guess almost everybody would agree is the right position. We want, we want to be out of the financial system. We want people to be paying back the government. But we don't want people to be paying back the government in ways that will put themselves right back in trouble and leaving themselves with inadequate capital. And we certainly don't want people starving automobile loans or starving the mortgage market or starving the small business market in order to pay back the government. So what Secretary Geithner has made clear is that he's very open, and regulatory authorities are very open to being paid back, but it has to be done in a way that's consistent with the stability of the financial institution and has to be consistent with maintaining the, maintaining the flow of credit.
Originally designed to unload banks’ toxic assets, something that isn’t an issue for many regional banks, the government instead used TARP to shore up banks’ balance sheets. In some cases banks were forced to accept the funds whether they said they needed them or not.Imagine the frustration of being forced to take the government's money in the first place and then to have the President's chief economic adviser go on TV and intimate that such banks don't know how to run their own business and need Nanny Geithner to determine when they're ready to pay back the unwanted money. The Obama administration has made it clear that they want to maintain control over which banks get to pay back their funds based on the national interest rather than what is in the banks' interest.
The official, meanwhile, said banks that had plenty of capital and had demonstrated an ability to raise fresh capital from the market should in principle be able to repay government funds. But the judgment would be made in the context of the wider economic interest. He said the government had three basic tests. It needed first to “make sure the system is stable”. Second, to not create “incentives for more deleveraging which would deepen the recession”. Third, to make sure the system had enough capital to “provide credit to support the recovery”.While Obama's administration should act in the national interest, that is not how private enterprise works. Every day we're witnessing a departure from the foundation of our capitalist system. Maybe that is why President Obama is trumpeting his "New Foundation."
Perhaps that is why the CEO and BB&T, Kelly King, sounds so eager to pay the money back.
I will say categorically to you that our plan is to repay the CPP as soon as it is humanly possible. I frankly consider the CPP investment in our company to be destructive. It creates excessive controls. It is having negative impacts on our people and strategies. And I think from a systemic point of view and certainly for us it runs a great risk of politicizing the lending process, which is very, very unhealthy. So we consider that investment in our company to be not good and one that we should extricate ourselves from as quickly as possible.I'm sure that there are many CEO's around the country who would say "Amen" to those sentiments. Maybe they don't have as much confidence in Geithner's judgment as Larry Summers does.
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The big problem is they will not release the test they are using.
And, they are closing all mover the place, also withiut releasing the tests.
On one bank Geithner said they closed was because their test showed it might have trouble in 2010. How in heavens name can you make that determination?
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The big problem is they will not release the test they are using.
And, they are closing banks all mver the place, also without releasing the tests.
On one bank Geithner said they closed was because their test showed it might have trouble in 2010. How in heavens name can you make that determination in this environment?
"Secretary Geithner knows better than the banks themselves what is in their best interest."Um, no. The correct conclusion would be "Secretary Geithner knows better than the banks themselves what is in the United States' best interest."
The banks have already shown that they put greed ahead of the national interest. So I am quite comfortable having Sec. Geithner make decisions for them.
Haven't heard anything lately from our leftist commenters vociferously complaining about "corporate welfare," have we?
"Secretary Geithner knows better than the banks themselves what is in the United States' best interest."Um, no. The correct conclusion would be "Secretary Geithner knows better than the banks themselves what is in Barack Obama's best interest."
Funny how liberals decide that "greed" is the root cause of any distress in the free market system - bringing to mind heartless, rapacious villains, not allowing for any other causes such as ill-conceived regulatory systems and public policies throwing naturally correcting behaviors out of balance.
And like almost all their arguments, it is emotionally laden and used to shut down any actual debate and discussion. "We're virtuous. They're evil."
A sad state of affairs.
By all means, equitus, enlighten everyone on your cherished beliefs about what caused the second great depression in the United States.
Do you think it had anything to do with greed for ever-higher profits? With the 2008 energy crisis caused by the Bush/GOP Iraq fiasco? With the GOP policy of less regulation? With the money wasted on a pointless war in Iraq?
Before you write this off as a "liberal" viewpoint, perhaps you better read this letter from the Chairman of JPMorgan. He identifies all of the above issues as causes of the Bush/GOP recession.
Second Great Depression, "Bill B.?" Hardly. None of the acknowledged criteria for the first one have been reached yet, but if ever they are, the second coming will be all Obama's doing. He's well on his way to fostering it by following closely the "New Deal" model provided by FDR.
Rehashing precipitating factors for the financial crackup are futile, for leftists like you choose to ignore the Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, Franklin Raines, FNMA, FHMLC, and the Democrat Congress that refused Bush's repeated calls for tightening up the "loose regulations" you keep moaning about. (The Frank, Dodd, Waters and Raines You Tube videos are still available for anyone wanting the truth, but as Jack Nicholson's movie character said, "You can't handle the truth!")
Energy crisis caused by the war in Iraq? By 2003, according to the 08/15/2008 issue of Alexander's Oil and Gas Connections, News & Trends: North America, US oil imports from Iraq were back to 663,000 barrels per day (bpd) from the pre-war 1 million metric bpd. But the Saudis increased their production to more than compensate for the loss from Iraqi wells, so the war had no ultimate effect on imports. The energy crisis to which you refer was caused by many factors: 1) increased demand from countries such as India and China; 2) fuel subsidies in various nations that keep pump prices low; 3) fear of limited world supply; 4) instability in certain world regions, such as Iran, Korea, Nigeria, Venezuela; 5) fear of terrorists targeting oil refining facilities; 6) speculation.
Pointless war in Iraq? About 28 million free Iraqis would probably disagree with your assessment.
And finally, regarding Mr. Dimon's letter to his company shareholders: it's worthy of noting that many of his criticisms and suggested solutions have already appeared in Betsy's columns. Besides, Mr. Dimon, according to Newsmeat, has given $597,000 since 1984 to political causes and candidates. $491,700 of that went to Democrat candidates. $46,800 went to GOP candidates. $58,500 went to "special interest" groups, which were primarily Democrat PACs (e.g., ACTBLUE, DSCC). It's not very surprising that he would agree with Obama's priorities, especially when he's sitting on a few billions of federal bailout money, eh?
Bush policies were praised when they deserved to be, but criticized when they deserved to be, too. When Bush did things even we conservatives criticized, Progressives/Liberals/Democrats like you drove him through the granite floors. But now that Magic Mouth Obama is doing the same exact things, only 1000% as much as Bush did, the sky is blue, streams run pure, and it's all Bush's fault.
Even the dog is starting to catch on to where you Progressives dump your crap.
Biil B must need to wheel around his own little oxygen cylinder to keep him from hyperventilating every time he gets worked up about things that go bump in the night. The Great Depression GDP ranged from -1.6% to -8.6% over the decade preceeding the expanding war economy. While unemployment ranged upwards of an official 27% in the latter stages and an extimated 40% before statistics were collected that were reliable and certainly nowhere near comparable to the highest estimate of 8.5% for 2009. Last year we still had 1.1% growth, not good, but certainly not any harbinger of Bill B being forced to sell apples on the street corner.
Energy crisis in 2008? Why not in 2003 when both OPEC and the Arab League both threatened to cut off the West to keep the status quo?
Bill B doesn't mention the CEO Dimon also said that these were possible causes but not definitively. He also stated on the second page of his letter that the two biggest problems were "...increasing credit costs, mostly for consumer and mortgage loans. While the second, most particularly appecting JP Morgan were the huge write downs from leveraged lending and that old bogeyman again, the collapse of housing prices. No mention of Iraq, or greed or any of the great liberal Jacob Marleys rattling around in the bedroom.
But it is encouraging that Bill B relies on the scholarship of the Huffington Post and still does not bother to go to the primary source.
enlighten everyone on your cherished beliefsThere's no enlightening you, BB. Not worth my time trying.
And oh my, the chairman of JP Morgan! Then it MUST be true, right? You're totally unaware that the heads of the largest corporations stand to gain a LOT from cozying up to an administration such as Obama's. Unlike our President, they've learned the lessons of Wilson and FDR. By accepting the government's "assistance", they can force out all the smaller and more nimble competition.
And look at you, BB. Buying it hook, line and sinker.
"Pointless war in Iraq? About 28 million free Iraqis would probably disagree with your assessment."Why should I have to pay a red cent in taxes for those guys?
It's very public spirited of you to give a damn, but don't follow it up by giving a cent of my taxes to giving Iraqis a happier life.
"Congress that refused Bush's repeated calls for tightening up the "loose regulations" What are you talking about? The core GOP mantra has been "more deregulation" since at least the time of the Sainted (and record debt setting) Ronald Reagan.
What are you talking about?You know darn well what he's talking about. It's been mentioned here many times, how Bush and Congressional Republicans tried to get more oversight over Fannie and Freddie but Frank and Dodd refused.
Quit playing ignorant. It's not helping your cause.
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